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Good or bad fold 10 minutes into mini FTOPS main event?

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  1. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is online now

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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 5:50pm)

    Believe me I know, why raise the river if you're gonna fold to a shove? His river bet screamed set and i planned on just calling and then at last minute decided to raise cuz I'm an idiot. Seriously though, I think not getting enough value from my hands in position is a bit of a weakness in my game. I prob check behind a lil more than I should. Anyway, FWIW, he insta-jammed over my raise and he plays low buyins but has a decent ROI. He also rarely busts in the early stages. That's all I had to go on, and the really short time bank sucks (Thanks Full Tilt). Dont think he was making a move and in that case I think i beat absolutely nothing here. anyone disagree here?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #14826832458: MiniFTOPS Main Event (97436905), Table 45 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:14:52 ET - 2009/09/20
    Seat 2: metph (8,010)
    Seat 3: sashel (16,950)
    Seat 4: DaPretzel (7,450)
    Seat 5: hellopokerworld (5,310)
    Seat 6: KingOf Sting420 (7,210)
    Seat 7: 21primetime21 (7,800)
    Seat 8: olde_english44 (7,210)
    Seat 9: crazyhorse76 (7,560)
    DaPretzel posts the small blind of 10
    hellopokerworld posts the big blind of 20
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to crazyhorse76 [Qc Ac]
    KingOf Sting420 raises to 70
    21primetime21 calls 70
    olde_english44 has 15 seconds left to act
    olde_english44 has timed out
    olde_english44 folds
    olde_english44 is sitting out
    olde_english44 has returned
    crazyhorse76 calls 70
    metph folds
    sashel folds
    DaPretzel folds
    hellopokerworld folds
    *** FLOP *** [2c 9d 7c]
    KingOf Sting420 bets 120
    21primetime21 calls 120
    crazyhorse76 raises to 420
    KingOf Sting420 folds
    21primetime21 calls 300
    *** TURN *** [2c 9d 7c] [Ad]
    21primetime21 checks
    crazyhorse76 checks
    *** RIVER *** [2c 9d 7c Ad] [Qs]
    21primetime21 bets 800
    crazyhorse76 raises to 2,210
    21primetime21 raises to 7,310, and is all in
    crazyhorse76 has 15 seconds left to act
    crazyhorse76 has requested TIME
    crazyhorse76: set?
    crazyhorse76 has timed out
    crazyhorse76 folds
    crazyhorse76 is sitting out
    Uncalled bet of 5,100 returned to 21primetime21
    crazyhorse76 has returned
    21primetime21 mucks
    21primetime21 wins the pot (5,620)
    The blinds are now 15/30
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5,620 | Rake 0
    Board: [2c 9d 7c Ad Qs]
    Seat 2: metph didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: sashel (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: DaPretzel (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: hellopokerworld (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: KingOf Sting420 folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: 21primetime21 collected (5,620), mucked
    Seat 8: olde_english44 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: crazyhorse76 folded on the River
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  2. zurk89 zurk89 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 5:57pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    your mistake was getting cute and not betting the turn. if you bet the turn and he calls, you can be sure he is not scared of the ace unless hes a fish chasing a draw. he can easily be checking a set here knowing that if he bets it looks real strong, and 2. it gives you an opp. to bluff.
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:00pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    Would primetime just flat that flop with a set in a pot vs. two other players? I would expect most players to raise there. I think this is a call. He could easily have two pair or a busted club draw. Your hand is incredibly well hidden. Please bet the turn too.

    And yeah I don't the reraise is good if you aren't calling the shove.
     
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:04pm) in reply to zurk89

     
    Originally Posted by zurk89 View Post

    your mistake was getting cute and not betting the turn. if you bet the turn and he calls, you can be sure he is not scared of the ace unless hes a fish chasing a draw. he can easily be checking a set here knowing that if he bets it looks real strong, and 2. it gives you an opp. to bluff.

    I wasn't getting cute on the turn, I usually play the turn like this so i don't get blown off my hand. I think betting this turn would be a mistake, not checking it.
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:07pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

     
    Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76 View Post

    I wasn't getting cute on the turn, I usually play the turn like this so i don't get blown off my hand. I think betting this turn would be a mistake, not checking it.

    ding ding ding
     
  6. zurk89 zurk89 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:13pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

     
    Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76 View Post

    I wasn't getting cute on the turn, I usually play the turn like this so i don't get blown off my hand. I think betting this turn would be a mistake, not checking it.

    this seems like pretty poor logic, you put yourself in a guessing game
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:16pm) in reply to zurk89

     
    Originally Posted by zurk89 View Post

    this seems like pretty poor logic, you put yourself in a guessing game

    lol no
     
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:17pm) in reply to zurk89

     
    Originally Posted by zurk89 View Post

    this seems like pretty poor logic, you put yourself in a guessing game

    Wow, like really? Would you rather be playing a guessing game on river for 800 chips or the turn when he check raises your stack and you can still make the nuts?
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  9. Neek Neek is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:25pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    I was just thinking that you may very well have the best hand on the turn and if the flush does hit, it's could very well kill your action on the river, that's why I recommended the bet on the turn.
     
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:26pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    looks like A9 to me. I think I'd probably call... don't think he would smooth call the flop with the flush and straight draws out there if he has a set
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    Sep 20th, 2009 (9/20/2009 6:30pm) in reply to Tsupa

    I thought A9 and Q9s were the only hands i could beat. But like i said, nothing about the limited info I had on player would make me think hed call an UTG raise with either of those hands though. I'm really confident he had a set, just wanted other opinions.
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