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Good Check Raise All-In?? Should I have done anything different??

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  1. Bricktop0585 Bricktop0585 is offline

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    Apr 29th, 2009 (4/29/2009 7:08pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #11938929065: $1,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (89332159), Table 111 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:03:16 ET - 2009/04/29
    Seat 1: Mikadoker (245), is sitting out
    Seat 2: canelupoasr (11,503)
    Seat 3: Andreert (2,758)
    Seat 5: Bricktop0585 (6,264)
    Seat 6: Buffalosaint (10,117)
    Seat 7: lionofjuda2 (7,020), is sitting out
    Seat 8: Sourbaguette (4,595)
    Seat 9: Anytime now (4,800)
    Mikadoker posts the small blind of 80
    canelupoasr posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bricktop0585 [9h Th]
    Andreert folds
    Bricktop0585 has 15 seconds left to act
    Bricktop0585 raises to 425
    Buffalosaint folds
    lionofjuda2 folds
    Sourbaguette folds
    Anytime now calls 425
    Mikadoker folds
    canelupoasr calls 265
    *** FLOP *** [5h 4s 7h]
    canelupoasr checks
    terrapin81 sits down
    terrapin81 adds 1,620
    Bricktop0585 checks
    Anytime now bets 1,355
    canelupoasr calls 1,355
    Bricktop0585 raises to 5,839, and is all in
    Anytime now calls 3,020, and is all in
    canelupoasr calls 4,484
    Bricktop0585 shows [9h Th]
    Anytime now shows [8s 8c]
    canelupoasr shows [5s 9s]
    *** TURN *** [5h 4s 7h] [3s]
    *** RIVER *** [5h 4s 7h 3s] [7s]
    Bricktop0585 shows a pair of Sevens
    canelupoasr shows a flush, Nine high
    canelupoasr wins the side pot (2,928) with a flush, Nine high
    Anytime now shows two pair, Eights and Sevens
    canelupoasr wins the main pot (14,480) with a flush, Nine high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 17,408 Main pot 14,480. Side pot 2,928. | Rake 0
    Board: [5h 4s 7h 3s 7s]
    Seat 1: Mikadoker (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: canelupoasr (big blind) showed [5s 9s] and won (17,408) with a flush, Nine high
    Seat 3: Andreert didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Bricktop0585 showed [9h Th] and lost with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 6: Buffalosaint didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: lionofjuda2 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: Sourbaguette didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: Anytime now (button) showed [8s 8c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
  2. jespy jespy is offline

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    Apr 29th, 2009 (4/29/2009 8:56pm) in reply to Bricktop0585

    910s is a hand i would have just called PF especially being in EP. I like to think you were attempting to just mix it up a bit here keep your opponents guessing. However Anytime's bet on the flop was roughly 1/3 of his stack, and with the villians call + your Push he was committed to call the remainder of his stack. The RRAI is a play I only like to make when you have good fold equity and a strong draw, maybe a pair with a flush draw or straight flush draw. Your opponents could have easily had two higher hearts and made your draw to the flush useless. my 2 cents
  3. stackdown stackdown is offline

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    Apr 29th, 2009 (4/29/2009 10:12pm) in reply to Bricktop0585

    Not sure if that was really that great of a flop for you. It turns out nobody had a higher flush draw then you, but could of been a definite possibility. You had absolutely no straight draw options, just two overs hoping to hit. In my eyes, that's a sure fold after the flop unless you were holding either a set, the nut straight, or an ace high flush draw (more specifically AK/AQ of hearts). Just my 2 cents. GL in the future M8te.

  4. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2009 (4/30/2009 2:18pm) in reply to stackdown

    I don't like it for the exact reason Jespy said. You've got a guy who called your pre-flop raise and then lead the flop with a pretty substantial bet and now has over 1/3rd of his stack committed. This guy is not going anywhere, your check-raise all-in will get called here about 99% of the time.

    Where you went wrong here was raising pre-flop. You've got a fairly decent stack, as do a few other players at the table, chips are still relatively cheap. There's no need to start building a big pot with a medium suited connector at this stage. You're overexposing yourself to risk when you don't need to.
  5. Chickenbrad Chickenbrad is offline

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    May 1st, 2009 (5/1/2009 3:46am) in reply to Rev.K

    I don't think there's anything wrong with raising preflop, as long as you aren't raising this hand frequently from bad position.

    Both checking and betting the flop have their bonuses, although neither seems substantial. Checking with the intention to raise is definitely a bit spewey, especially vs. a bet AND a caller behind. With this sort of flop they both are basically screaming that they have very big hands or at the very least a hand that dominates yours(I.E. bigger flush draw).

    Calling is accpetable deep stacked vs. other deep stacks. Folding probably makes the most money long term in this specific situation, although it's tough to say for sure. 1 thing is for certain, raising almost never takes down the pot.

    If you want to be results oriented, looking at what your opponents are holding, you had the almost the best possible result on the flop(if you don't count them both folding). Even with your 12 outer your are +EV by a very small margin, which is tournament suicide at this stage with your stack.
  6. Pooplips Pooplips is offline I collect boogers

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    May 1st, 2009 (5/1/2009 9:13am) in reply to Chickenbrad

    Def just fold preflop. these are the exact type of situatuions I like to avoid. Did not put the one guy on 95 but i knew oen of them had a small pair. even though you would be a fav against a small pair I like a fold pre as the best option.
  7. elimherr elimherr is offline

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    May 1st, 2009 (5/1/2009 1:51pm) in reply to Pooplips

    its a rebuy tourney i think its fine, i would have bet the flop tho with my flush draw and 2 overs, i dont see why you would check the flop with the flush draw, by bettign you are getting max value and if you dont win you just rebuy, but if you check then everyone checks behind and the flush comes you arent going to get any more $$ out of them. rebuys are about taking risks during rebuy period to get a monster stack.
     
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