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Good example of good bubble push/bad bubble call?

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  1. Goal4Ziggy Goal4Ziggy is offline

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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 8:08pm)

    Ok, with chipstacks what they are and icm concerns, is my push right, and is the call wrong? I've just incorporate icm to bully the bubble more and want to know if this is correct play.

    pokerstars Game #7474256184: Tournament #38233285, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/12/16 - 20:51:21 (ET)
    Table '38233285 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: LABANDA (6235 in chips)
    Seat 2: atv28 (1625 in chips)
    Seat 5: Natesdogs (1390 in chips)
    Seat 8: Goal4Ziggy (4250 in chips)
    LABANDA: posts the ante 25
    atv28: posts the ante 25
    Natesdogs: posts the ante 25
    Goal4Ziggy: posts the ante 25
    Goal4Ziggy: posts small blind 200
    LABANDA: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Goal4Ziggy [Ks Jd]
    atv28: folds
    Natesdogs: folds
    Goal4Ziggy: raises 3825 to 4225 and is all-in
    LABANDA: calls 3825
    *** FLOP *** [4c Kd 9d]
    *** TURN *** [4c Kd 9d] [Js]
    *** RIVER *** [4c Kd 9d Js] [6d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Goal4Ziggy: shows [Ks Jd] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
    LABANDA: shows [As Qs] (high card Ace)
    Goal4Ziggy collected 8550 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8550 | Rake 0
    Board [4c Kd 9d Js 6d]
    Seat 1: LABANDA (big blind) showed [As Qs] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 2: atv28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Natesdogs (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Goal4Ziggy (small blind) showed [Ks Jd] and won (8550) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
  2. mattg1983 mattg1983 is offline buying action

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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 8:15pm) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    good push good call
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    Dec 16th, 2006 (12/16/2006 8:25pm) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    I think this push is pretty close if we put LABANDA's calling range on AQo+ TT+ or so, which is what it should be. Probably a push still but not by much. AQ is a good call imo, probably the worst hand you can call with though.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 1:16am) in reply to TheMayor

    KJ with 10 big blinds in small blind. I will push this everytime, bubble or not. I will also call with AQ to your push nearly everytime (99%).

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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 1:20am) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    Both played the right way.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 2:44am) in reply to SerlinSteak19

    I may be missing something here, but I can't see how this is a good push. Your correct about your bubble play, but you cant push all of your chips into the chip leader 4 handed with the stacks the way they are and with such a marginal hand. If you were the button and the 2 shorter stacks were in the blinds i like the play.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 2:47am) in reply to trixter23

    I think you might be right....if you're talking about shoving a total dog hand. KJ is more than enough to shove even into the big stack in my opinion.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 2:56am) in reply to warden

    Well i mean the point is he doesnt have to be shoving there. Your goal in a SNG is to cash. Once you get in the money, then we can take these risks. Sure you have 10bb's, but you have 2 short stacks who should be shoving any 2 in their spots. This is the type of play that will lose you money in the long run.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 2:59am) in reply to trixter23

    "I may be missing something here, but I can't see how this is a good push. Your correct about your bubble play, but you cant push all of your chips into the chip leader 4 handed with the stacks the way they are and with such a marginal hand. If you were the button and the 2 shorter stacks were in the blinds i like the play."

    He's in the sb so he is out of position with a strong hand 4 handed. He has to get past only the chip leader who can only be making the call with a few hands. This push should allow him to increase his stack without playing KJ out of position.
  10. trixter23 trixter23 is offline

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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 3:08am) in reply to SerlinSteak19

    Ok, so you're saying increasing your stack by 400 plus 75 for the antes is going to make more difference then CASHING? Plus the chip leader can be making that call with a TON of hands that are beating KJ. Can someone run this through ICM or sng power tools. This can't be a profitable play.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 3:55am) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    borderline push. Not sure it's good since its against the big stack. Against smaller stacks, it's an easy push.

    The big stack's call is fine. He knows you are shoving with more than just AA, KK, and AK
     
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 4:54am) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    the way the stacks line up it's a -EV shove into the CL. I think into other two stacks its fine, but into the one guy who can stack you its awful.

    You want to bully the bubble more, correct? shoving into CL with moderate holdings is not the way to get it done. easy lay down here....shove on button if possible..but the goal here is to cash. That 200 you lost this hand means nothing. Great stack still.

    YOU dont have to shove, the two shorties have to shove (not saying that you are looking to shove with a good hand.)

    thoughts? PM me....I enjoy discussing things and by the time I wake up I have a feeling this thread is gonna be gone.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 10:08am) in reply to BillMueller

    My thoughts exactly.
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    Dec 17th, 2006 (12/17/2006 1:11pm) in reply to trixter23

    so what do you suggest raise and fold, limp, or just fold
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    Dec 18th, 2006 (12/18/2006 1:31am) in reply to mattg1983

    obv brag post
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