I will take it for what it truly is. BULLSHIT. They're paying you a ton to talk shit and that's exactly what you've done. If full tilt or pokerstars were doing this you would also be complaining with the rest of us but since it's UB and you WORK for them and make MONEY for them, it's all fine and dandy in your little deluded world. Fuck UB and fuck you too for support them. Take that for what you will.

Numbskull 21 - Have to say that the name fits if you are really going to play UB more often.

The forthcoming "report" wont change my opinion that AP and or UB should be shut down or die from financial ruin. There are only two things they can say in this so called "closure". They will give an explanation, lots of facts facts, some massaging dreamed up by Spin Doctors, and all of it read and approved by expensive corporate lawyers.

1) Management knew and did nothing. Oh they wont say it this way, as that would create a liability and kill the cash cow. They might acknowledge that it is possible on their software for an outside player (Not security nor tech support et al) to play a tournament live and see all the hands in real time. I doubt you will see an explanation as to why this would be necessary,

(pokerstars has explicity stated cant be done on their software in case you were wondering).

2) Management didnt know. Then they are incompetent. Since the owners chose the management, they cant be trusted to choose responsible people to care for yours, mine and the other persons hard earned money.

The only thing they can really could do here for credibility would be to have someone with a squeaky clean rep and high profile to manage the site (ala Baseball and George Mitchell) but odds are they have a bunch of their no name cronies running the show and investigation.....just more of the same old same old. Same crooks different names.

This is more Public Relations spin to try to sweep this whole thing under the rug so they can get back to the business take our money any way they can....and dont think they want it and will say anything to desperately get to it. The only power we have is to vote with our pocketbooks. So If you play there, and I really mean this....."Good Luck!"

When you say "new team", I'm assuming that you mean the new management team that has taken over for the management team that was found cheating at AP. I'm assuming this because as far as I know AP and UB are under the same management/ownership. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if this supposed "new team" "gets it", wouldn't they be the ones to discover the cheating that went on at UB and not a bunch of the players who were cheated? I'd also like to know why the player behind the UB superuser account played much smarter then the player behind the AP superuser account. It was obviously two different cheaters.

<3 rf

Time will heal things, right?

Remember this? When Annie's boyfriend won the UB tourney the first time he played and she announced it?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/ja...e_duke/?sports

Joe Reitman, who didn’t even know he was playing that day, was handed a laptop in bed by his girlfriend, Annie Duke. He responded by saying “Annie, leave me alone, I’m trying to sleep.” Duke replied, “Phil Hellmuth is playing, and I can’t because I’m doing the final-table commentary, time-delayed. So I want at least a chance to win some of that ‘gi-normous’ prize pool. Honey, you’re playing!”

Reitman, who stars in M. Night Shyamalan’s upcoming film “Lady in the Water” and is executive producer of “Annie Duke Takes on the World,” on GSN has no poker pedigree whatsoever, other than being Duke’s longtime boyfriend. In fact, the first time he ever played no-limit Hold ‘em, at the Spider Club in Hollywood (for a charity event), he moved all-in on the first hand with 5-2 off suit. At the time, Duke laughed and thought, “If he can go broke on the first hand with 5-2 off suit, he obviously knows nothing at all about poker, and he’s dating me for me, not because of my poker expertise.”

He then goes on to win $260k or so. Lucky?

Fast forward to this past week where Annie is fighting our good fight saying that poker is not "luck":

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...a-6767ade42c06

She rejects the notion that luck has anything to do with winning at poker.

Conclusion:

my head asplodes, but I'm sure it's all coincidence, no allegations being made here.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>By yonnyaus on 05-06-2008 10:09 PM </TD><TD align=right>Reply </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=P5_PostContent><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ForumPostContentText>She obviously doesnt care about the poker commuinty, she just cares about the money. What kind of person would represtent the shadiest site on the internet that has been proven cheaters and still havent done anything about it.

A few things here - Don't shoot the messenger. Annie doesnt know all the ins and outs of the investigation, she was simply replying because she was being called out on this forum. She apparently was able to get a timeframe for closure on the investigation and posted it on here.

Shes not in charge of the investigation, shes in charge of the tounament schedule.

"She obviously doesnt care about the poker community, she just cares about the money"

Um- yea im pretty sure she was just fighting for all poker players in Washington. Just an ignorant statement.

" what kind of person would represent the shadiest site on the internet tha has been proven cheaters and still havent done anything about it".

I think annie answered this one as well but-

The kind of person who is emotionally invested in a brand she wants to help improve and make a better site for all online players.

I understand the anger and frustration towards the cheating allegations.
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I understand people want and deserve answers, and it looks like you will be getting them soon.

What i don't understand is all the negativity towards Annie.

Debo
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i think we should all lay off annie a bit. she is actually tring and taking the time to listen to the players and address U.B's problems. last week i was like everyone else ragging on annie and UB. my opinion as since changed. i still think the schedule change sucked, but after talking to her and i realize how difficult it actually is. she is listening to us and changes will take place soon. UB is desperate for an image change, and i truly believe they are going to accomplish this is the long run. i have dogged UB on P5 as much as anybody, but the fact is its still my home site and i would love to see it earn its trust and respect back. the bottom line is: if you dont like it, dont play there, but its not annie's fault, shes at least taking the time to communicate with us!

For UB players & Annie Duke who haven't already seen it...

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...-WEEKS-2856116

hmmmm, glad I cashed out last year

Management at UB needs to speak about the issue. Annie's on here trying to bring in customers to UB. UB is trying to promote their site and paying for spokesmen and commercials, be kind of nice if they took some of that money and let people know there is an investigation and they are doing the best they can INSTEAD of sweeping it under the rug and only mentioning anything if forced too from irate former customers.

I think representing UB as a spokesperson during this time is a poor choice in decision making.

blah blah I guess they have picked the right person for this Job. I mean just ask Negreanu, I'm sure he'll agree.

If it doesn't work out, i'm sure your brother can get u a job.

Hey Metasploit, FU!!! lol

UB 4 lyfeeeeeee snitchez. The one thing you guys don't take into account is I can justify being a losing player by playing at UB. it's obv rigged.

What do i tell myself when I move to stars and still lose?

I don't care what their "investigation" unveils. I'll never play there again. And I don't even play at stakes that people would try to cheat. But there is obviously no integrity @ Ub or Ap.

Fool me once, shame on you.

Thanks Mook for the words of wisdom

how many times have you retired from UB this week?

lol

cheers

suck it trebeck:)