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Good ROI for the 12$ turbo 180 mans on Stars

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  1. RedRoverGramenkova RedRoverGramenkova is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:07pm)

    Just wondering what a good ROI for these tourneys are, and what is a good sample size to actually get an accurate assessment of my play.
  2. freeworld777 freeworld777 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:24pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    anything over 50% for 2000 games is good, apparantly
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:49pm) in reply to freeworld777

     
    Originally Posted by freeworld777 View Post

    anything over 50% for 2000 games is good, apparantly

    This but I think 1000 is pretty reliable.
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:56pm) in reply to nadatell

    i dont know...I think i've racked up around 1000 in the last few months (need to confirm) , and i think the variance is too big in these for 1000 games to tell you how you're doing.
    I'd like to get a concensus on this though....
  5. elusively elusively is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 1:58pm) in reply to freeworld777

    If someone could give me my sharkscope on these things, I would really appreciate it.

    I haven't played anywhere NEAR enough of these, but I know I'm down and I know I've got to be running at least slightly below expectation. *I think*
  6. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:03pm) in reply to elusively

    We have the same ROI.. IVe played a few more. Meaningless in terms of sample size.. But im so far down now I'll never get it back. Especially in these where its just luck..

    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><THEAD> <TR class=sortTable><TH class=sortTableasc width=125>Username</TH><TH class=sortTable>Games Played</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. Stake</TH><TH class=sortTable width=45>Av. ROI</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Total Profit</TH><TH class=sortTable>Form</TH><TH class=sortTable>Network</TH><TH class=sortTable width=50>Filter</TH></TR></THEAD> <TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="AFink93#pokerstars& E><TD class=sortTable align=middle><A title="Click to view player graphs" onclick="addgraph('AFink93#pokerstars& E>=180 S10-15 Spd=T')" href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs" mce_href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs">AFink93</A> </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>88</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>-$7 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$11 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>-59%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>-$622 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>-</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>PokerStars</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E>=180 S10-15 Spd=T</TD><TD class=sortTable><A onclick="deleterow('AFink93#pokerstars& E>=180 S10-15 Spd=T');return false;" href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#" mce_href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#">x</A></TD></TR><TR class=sortTablealt id="elusively#pokerstars& E><TD class=sortTable align=middle><A title="Click to view player graphs" onclick="addgraph('elusively#pokerstars& E>=180 S10-15 Spd=T')" href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs" mce_href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs">elusively</A> </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>54</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>-$7 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$11 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>-59%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>-$385 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Super Tilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>PokerStars</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E>=180 S10-15 Spd=T</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
  7. elusively elusively is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:14pm) in reply to AFink93

    Is that me? Looks about right.

    I bubble these bitches quite a bit. I should start grinding them, I know they're beatable.
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:16pm) in reply to elusively

    Sorry. Your on the right.
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:23pm) in reply to AFink93

    could you do mine??? (please?)
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:28pm) in reply to freeworld777

     
    Originally Posted by freeworld777 View Post

    could you do mine??? (please?)

    Not going to bother. I hate braggers about how good they run.
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:32pm) in reply to AFink93

    ok, then just tell me exactly how many i've played, no need for results
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:37pm) in reply to freeworld777

    Jesus all that money you won and you cant afford a few bucks for a subscrption? Its Obamation. Redistribute the wealth.

    Fine. Happy. Here you go.

    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="Freeworld777#pokerstars& E><TD class=sortTable align=middle><A title="Click to view player graphs" onclick="addgraph('Freeworld777#pokerstars& E>=180 S10-15')" href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs">Freeworld777</A><INPUT onclick=showpreferences(); type=image height=14 width=28 src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark3.gif"> </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>718</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$8 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$11 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>71%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$6,085 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>-</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>PokerStars</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E>=180 S10-15</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:48pm) in reply to AFink93

    Thanks man, thought i'd actaully played a lot more than that. (if only i could stop donking it all off in Cash & MTTs)
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:56pm) in reply to freeworld777

    50 percent roi?

    uh

    isn't that a little ridiculous/
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  15. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:58pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    50% over a good sample would be very solid. 75%+ would be fantastic.

    ...and no, 1000 games isn't nearly enough to be considered a relevant sample. That's not even enough for the 4.40s which are obv not turbos.
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 2:59pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    No this is ridiculous Quasifiction

    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTablealt id="QuasiFiction#pokerstars& E><TD class=sortTable align=middle><A title="Click to view player graphs" onclick="addgraph('QuasiFiction#pokerstars& E>=180 S10-15')" href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs" mce_href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html#graphs">QuasiFiction</A><INPUT onclick=showpreferences(); type=image height=14 width=28 src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark3.gif" mce_src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark3.gif"> </TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>6,653</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$6 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$11 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>49%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$38,994 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align=middle>Super Tilt</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>PokerStars</TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>E>=180 S10-15</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:03pm) in reply to AFink93

    lol mutant
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:10pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    10,000 maybe 20,000 game sample is needed imo. It's possible for a 45% roi player to go on 2K+ game break even runs, I've seen it. Also, a friend of mine ran at 107% roi over his first 800 games in these and over his last 900 (he has 1700 game sample) he's run at 19% roi and he's obv better now than he was when he started playing them. 200+ buyin downswings are also possible.

    As for sustainable roi... imo 45%-55% is sustainable for very good players.
     
  19. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:20pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    200+ bi downswings?? Good lord...
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:31pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    I have probably around a 150% RoI over 300 games. So I'd say thats is at expectation for me.
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:36pm) in reply to shanetrain22

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    200+ bi downswings?? Good lord...

    We all arent as good as you Shane were a 2 buy in downturn is a tremendous downswing.
  22. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:44pm) in reply to AFink93

     
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by shanetrain22 View Post

    200+ bi downswings?? Good lord...

    We all arent as good as you Shane were a 2 buy in downturn is a tremendous downswing.

    Heh, wish that were the case.

    Semi-hijack: how are the cash games going, finkster?
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:45pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    Though its a little outdated and the figures seem to be on the upside as far as what good results are, its pretty informative...<A target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/multitable/mtt_freerolls/pokerstars_180_SNGs_Part1.html">
    http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/multitable/mtt_freerolls/Pokerstars_180_SNGs_Part1.html</A>
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:51pm) in reply to Claydog07

     
    Originally Posted by Claydog07 View Post

    Though its a little outdated and the figures seem to be on the upside as far as what good results are, its pretty informative...<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/multitable/mtt_freerolls/pokerstars_180_SNGs_Part1.html" >
    http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/multitable/mtt_freerolls/Pokerstars_180_SNGs_Part1.html</a>

    "Top 5% Skill Group vs Opposition: 120% ROI +

    Top 20% Skill Group: 80% to 100% ROI +

    Above Average Player (non specialist) 40% to 50% ROI +"

    LOL
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  25. bighaley21 bighaley21 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 3:54pm) in reply to Claydog07

    Quasifiction isnt a good person to look at for these tourneys... He plays 50+ of these in any given day...Not many people(id say less than .5%) can play a dozen tables at once and have success... If you have a +20% ROI in the 180s youre doing decent... Basically if your AK runs well against 1010 your ROI is going to be good in these... Gotta win a lot of flips... A LOT!
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 4:19pm) in reply to RedRoverGramenkova

    Scroll through this thread. Looks like the "best" are in the 50-70% range.

    http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for..._3F00_-3320144
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    Oct 29th, 2008 (10/29/2008 5:03pm) in reply to jtphila

    ask frankthetank about these
     
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