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Good Spot to Check/Raise? tough spot in stars $215 2nd chance

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  1. BigDShaggyJ BigDShaggyJ is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 8:18pm)

    pokerstars Game #13761011587: Tournament #68990358, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2007/12/09 - 21:09:45 (ET)
    Table '68990358 95' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: elementry (5958 in chips)
    Seat 2: justpartime6 (27796 in chips)
    Seat 3: ClaudioReyna (6062 in chips)
    Seat 4: vosy69er (30714 in chips)
    Seat 5: real-nic (9025 in chips)
    Seat 6: BreakRibs (14482 in chips)
    Seat 7: Castor (39193 in chips)
    Seat 8: AUSSIE_JASE (33991 in chips)
    Seat 9: BigDShaggyJ (13195 in chips)
    elementry: posts the ante 30
    justpartime6: posts the ante 30
    ClaudioReyna: posts the ante 30
    vosy69er: posts the ante 30
    real-nic: posts the ante 30
    BreakRibs: posts the ante 30
    Castor: posts the ante 30
    AUSSIE_JASE: posts the ante 30
    BigDShaggyJ: posts the ante 30
    Castor: posts small blind 300
    AUSSIE_JASE: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BigDShaggyJ [Ts Tc]
    BigDShaggyJ: raises 820 to 1420
    elementry: folds
    justpartime6: folds
    ClaudioReyna: folds
    vosy69er: calls 1420
    real-nic: folds
    BreakRibs: folds
    Castor: folds
    AUSSIE_JASE: calls 820
    *** FLOP *** [2d Kc 7c]
    AUSSIE_JASE: checks
    BigDShaggyJ: checks
    vosy69er: bets 2400
    AUSSIE_JASE: folds
    BigDShaggyJ: ??????

    I tank for like 25 second pf and on flop before checking
    anybody think this is a good spot to c/r, does he fold some K combos to a c/r like KQ KJ? does he have a pair of kings here? is it likely that hes got a pair smaller then 10s that he's betting?
    any help is appreciated.
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  2. KMan1564 KMan1564 is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 8:22pm) in reply to BigDShaggyJ

    You need to lead the flop or fold...you're committing too many chips otherwise.
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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 8:40pm) in reply to KMan1564

    didn't want to lead and get raised, and have to fold.
    any other thoughts?
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  4. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 8:41pm) in reply to BigDShaggyJ

    Not sure why you didn't lead out on that flop. You could flat call and re-evaluate turn, but you'd probably have to give up without any more information unless another T hits or something like maybe a K.

    If you did c/r, you'd probably just have to shove
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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 8:52pm) in reply to BigDShaggyJ

    what is your read on this guy, prior history etc

    I don't think he's ever lead folding with a K here.

    so you need to narrow his range a bit before you make a decision.

    without any reads i cbet fold to shove
     
  6. Cmoney3 Cmoney3 is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 8:55pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    id fire 2/3s to 3/4ths of the pot when it is checked to u on the flop, and fold to a reraise
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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 9:28pm) in reply to BigDShaggyJ

    You have to lead on the flop, otherwise u get no information on his hand and u find urself in the predicament that u found urself in....
     
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    Dec 9th, 2007 (12/9/2007 10:29pm) in reply to Randers

    unfortunately I had been moved to the table like 6 hands before and had no prior reads other than both players that called me were top 10 stacks in tourney at the time.

    I felt pretty good about the flop when it happened but i didn't want to stick in another 3k w/ a standard c-bet (25% of my stack) and get shoved by someone just putting me to the test and have to fold. obv i played this weak but really kinda felt like this may be a good spot to check raise but also felt like given his huge stack he's not gonna fold to my shove regardless. and he could possibly have a king here or JJ-QQ just felt like it was a really awkward spot I got myself into.

    just like to hear other peoples opinions as to if you think given his stack size that he rarely holds anything i'm beating and that he's just trying to take the pot down in position?
    is it wrong to let the fact that both players that called me were top 10 stacks affect my decision on this flop?
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    Dec 10th, 2007 (12/10/2007 12:09am) in reply to Chosen Wun

    guess no one else has any other opinions or feedback other than 2/3-3/4 pot sized c-bet of flop/folding to a Reraise. what about if I lead 2/3-3/4 and he flats and the turn comes J, Q, A or even a brick for that matter?

    anyways I timebanked for like 45 seconds then mucked 1010 only investing the minimum, i guess i played it weakly but i didn't want to risk to many chips w/o knowing i was ahead.

    thank you very much to all those who provided feedback, very much appreciated.

    MAHOLLA
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