Great players at my table say this is a bad shove....who knows?

Reply to Thread
  1. groove58 groove58 is offline

    Idaho Falls, ID
    United States

    Posts: 55
    Joined: Apr 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 1:50am)

    Bad or not bad....that is the question.

    Hand #56319928-190 at 920pm7.5k-001 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Started at 23/Aug/08 00:18:41

    bustyounow is at seat 0 with 13655.
    newathis is at seat 1 with 6645.
    Ziff72 is at seat 2 with 19775.
    Bracks is at seat 3 with 20240.
    thejima is at seat 4 with 13780.
    madman55 is at seat 5 with 8565.
    groove58 is at seat 6 with 8380.
    bigsav03 is at seat 8 with 0 (sitting out).
    emarfit is at seat 9 with 11675.
    The button is at seat 0.

    bustyounow posts ante (100).
    newathis posts ante (100).
    Ziff72 posts ante (100).
    Bracks posts ante (100).
    thejima posts ante (100).
    madman55 posts ante (100).
    groove58 posts ante (100).
    emarfit posts ante (100).
    Ziff72 posts the small blind of 500.
     Bracks posts the big blind of 1000.

    bustyounow: -- --
    newathis: -- --
    Ziff72: -- --
    Bracks: -- --
    thejima: -- --
    madman55: -- --
    groove58: Ad Ts
     emarfit: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    thejima folds. madman55 folds. groove58 goes all-in
    for 8280. emarfit folds. bustyounow goes all-in for
    13555. newathis folds. Ziff72 folds. Bracks
    folds. bustyounow is returned 5275 (uncalled).

    Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

    bustyounow shows 6h 6d.
    groove58 shows Ad Ts.
  2. the_snail03 the_snail03 is offline

    United Kingdom

    Posts: 3,988
    Joined: Sep 07

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 1:51am) in reply to groove58

    I know, and it's 110% std.
     
  3. threebanger threebanger is offline

    United States

    Posts: 5,094
    Joined: Sep 07

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 1:53am) in reply to groove58

    Looks 100% standard to me. You have 8 BBs and about to hit the blinds, an M of just over 3. What "great" player had a problem with this?
  4. RoyalCrusher RoyalCrusher is offline

    Cheshire, CT
    United States

    Posts: 4,622
    Joined: Feb 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 1:55am) in reply to groove58

    who are these 'great players' you speak of
     1
  5. riverdrowns riverdrowns is offline

    Posts: 3,419
    Joined: Feb 08

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 1:59am) in reply to RoyalCrusher

     
    Originally Posted by RoyalCrusher View Post

    who are these 'great players' you speak of

  6. groove58 groove58 is offline

    Idaho Falls, ID
    United States

    Posts: 55
    Joined: Apr 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:03am) in reply to RoyalCrusher

    The "great" part was sarcastic, but there was more than one. One of them said it was bad since it was close to the bubble.........no lie. I guess that is why these games are good but the variance is vomitous. Feel free to use that word in any situation you'd like.
    Thread Starter
  7. Jennifear Jennifear is offline Moderator

    Niagara Falls, NY
    United States

    Posts: 10,201
    Joined: Nov 05

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:06am) in reply to groove58

    Standard. It's bustyounow's call that they should have been bashing.

    NH

    Give 'em the old "Yeah, that was pretty dumb, I guess I got a little tilty, but now that I have chips I'll tighten back up."

    The majority of players have no idea that they are supposed to protect their fold equity. I go over this situation several times with my students, and most of them are telling me that they are shoving {AQs, 99} or something like that in this spot.
  8. kowboy8686 kowboy8686 is offline

    Saint Cloud, FL
    United States

    Posts: 6,638
    Joined: Aug 07

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:07am) in reply to riverdrowns

    if they were ever half way decent theyd know thats the right spot for a shove.

    of course what do i know? maybe the greats wait till the have 4 bbs before they shove the same freakin hand.
  9. groove58 groove58 is offline

    Idaho Falls, ID
    United States

    Posts: 55
    Joined: Apr 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:16am) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    Standard. It's bustyounow's call that they should have been bashing.

    NH

    Give 'em the old "Yeah, that was pretty dumb, I guess I got a little tilty, but now that I have chips I'll tighten back up."

    The majority of players have no idea that they are supposed to protect their fold equity. I go over this situation several times with my students, and most of them are telling me that they are shoving {AQs, 99} or something like that in this spot.

    Thanks Jennifear.....unfortunately those sixes held. bustyounow made a comment indicating that he was proud to have the guts to make the call. It was another player who then commented on my shove with "no hand."

    Poker is hard.
    Thread Starter
  10. Jennifear Jennifear is offline Moderator

    Niagara Falls, NY
    United States

    Posts: 10,201
    Joined: Nov 05

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:20am) in reply to groove58

    Okay, the true test:

    Does the guy who commented on your hand selection have a little note on him stating that he is likely shoving tight with 8 BB from EP or something to that effect?

    Did you defend your play?

    If the answer is YES to the first question, and NO to the second one, you played the hand perfectly!
  11. groove58 groove58 is offline

    Idaho Falls, ID
    United States

    Posts: 55
    Joined: Apr 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:26am) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    Okay, the true test:

    Does the guy who commented on your hand selection have a little note on him stating that he is likely shoving tight with 8 BB from EP or something to that effect?

    Did you defend your play?

    If the answer is YES to the first question, and NO to the second one, you played the hand perfectly!

    Ummm.....I'm sort of a life donk for defending this and possibly educating a poker donk.

    sdkljmgerio5hjgwiugfrsbnfkjgnsrgkn

    Self imposed chat ban forthcoming.
    Thread Starter
  12. pharreal87 pharreal87 is offline

    Posts: 3,589
    Joined: Apr 08

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 2:31am) in reply to groove58

    standard shove.
  13. Jennifear Jennifear is offline Moderator

    Niagara Falls, NY
    United States

    Posts: 10,201
    Joined: Nov 05

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 7:08am) in reply to groove58

     
    Originally Posted by groove58 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    Okay, the true test:

    Does the guy who commented on your hand selection have a little note on him stating that he is likely shoving tight with 8 BB from EP or something to that effect?

    Did you defend your play?

    If the answer is YES to the first question, and NO to the second one, you played the hand perfectly!

    Ummm.....I'm sort of a life donk for defending this and possibly educating a poker donk.

    sdkljmgerio5hjgwiugfrsbnfkjgnsrgkn

    Self imposed chat ban forthcoming.

    Meh I do it too sometimes (doesn't make it right).... in any event he prolly didn't learn :)
  14. threeven threeven is offline

    Tucson, AZ
    United States

    Posts: 18,615
    Joined: Feb 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 7:58am) in reply to Jennifear

    The only reason you got bashed is because its UB and everyone there is so LOL weak/tight bad that they think you only should only shove AK there
    2
  15. uh ooh uh ooh is offline

    Portland, OR
    United States

    Posts: 369
    Joined: Sep 06

    Aug 23rd, 2008 (8/23/2008 8:00am) in reply to Jennifear

    shuvin 8 bb with a10 u donk seriously doesnt it feel good to lose races
Reply to Thread