currently grinding the 1.20 sngs on stars and not having much success. cant offord any of the training sites right now so have to put my question here. what are the most common mistakes people make at this level? trying to find holes in my game and fix them but not sure wear my problem is.
Most common mistakes is not following ICM and calling there stack off with like KJ with a 4k stack when there is a 300 stack still in. Shit like this hapens alot. Just sit back and wait for hands you will get paid off once blinds get high start jamming on middle stacks if you have chips
Play only good starting hands ---> Pairs and AK/AQ.
Raise with TT+ and AK. Limp with everything else.
Play top pair top kicker, sets, two pairs, or flopped straits/flushes as fast as you can on every street post flop against 1 opponent. Pot sized bets will get called all the time.
Never fire a 2nd bullet on the turn/river if someone calls your bets on earlier streets unless you are 100% confident they are drawing. Bluffs fail 95% of the time at these limits because people with mid pair ace kicker can not get away.
Just play poker they are the easiest games in the universe.
1) playing marginal holdings out of position (just calling to "see" the flop)
2) playing face cards with weak kicker, e.g. K 5, A3, J 6
3) some player think one or two pair is the nuts, have a hard time laying them down vs. raises
4) absolutely no knowledge about odds/pott odds
5) generally, playing too many hands
6) checking down the river with the nuts
7) making pot-sweetener bets (thats bets of just one BB, no matter the pot total)
8) calling mini-raises just to see the flop
9) checking down the flop, the turn too often
10) no interest in avoiding multi-way pots
11) Going All-In preflop, when stacks are deep, and the blinds are low (no antes yet)
When player do this, they most often have two face cards or a pocket pair.
12) no real bubble strategy; afraid to bust, and not really raising enough, when the game is down to 4-5 handed
13) short stacks making raises that pot-committ them, instead of just shoving all-in
Some of them go all in after a raise, or on the river with nothing but a big bluff (two overcards), some actually raise, when they "got it" ; vs. the last type of player, you can generally give him credit for a hand, and just fold.
GENERALLY, they play ANY Ace, ANY Pocket Pair, even calling reraises, and are willing to call your A K Raise of 3 BB with a questionable holding like K 3 offsuit.
I am just a microgrinder myself, but in order for you (us) to find your leaks, it would be best, if you could post a hand history. You can post it in the relevant section, and just make a note here, that you did it, then we will look over the HH and hopefully find your leaks.
Note, that I am a much better player in theory than in practice, but I am aware of some of my leaks and already on the verge of fixing them.
GOOD LUCK @ The Tables, beat_beat
PS: ICM, which you should not concern yourself with this moment (you got other leaks to fix), is short for Independent Chip Modelling, and denotes the value your chips have in a given situation, in relation to your action - shoving all in may just have another value, than mereley flat calling, raising or folding. In SNG´s ICM gets important arround the bubble, where it is often just the decision to push or to fold (note, that this is not necessary a strategy i would employ in the 1+0.20´s because your opponents will view you just as a guy who is gambling or bulliying the table unmercifully, and will probably call you on spot, if youre unlucky).
Tools like SNG wizard, which you can download calculate the expected value of fold/push actions arround the bubble, in mostly one table SNG´s (this is more than basic math, and unless your a math whizz, you will have problems, calculating them at the top of your head)
Bug, your not dumb.
ICM is a complicated math theory that involves SNG's (not as much MTT, since the way they are weighted, it almost always makes sense to go for the win).
Basically, the way SNG's are structured, your main goal is to money them, with a secondary goal of winning them. Because of this, it attempts to put a dollar amount (long term dollars) to what moves you should make. You can buy software to make the adidtions, but often times, you can figure them out on your own.
Take this example. You are in a 5.50 tournament (pays 25-15-10). You are in 2nd place. You are dealt A-10offsuit in the bb. The sb is the big stack in the game. You have 4,000 chips, bug stack has 8k chips, other 2 stacks have 500 chips each.
So, even though you know that the SB can push with any 2 cards, should you call. If you call, you will likely win about 60% of the time due to his range. If you win, you likely will win first place, but you can still get 2nd (let's say you win 75% first, 25% 2nd). If you lose, you will get nothing.
So, because of this, 45% of the time you'll get $25, 15% of the time 15, 40% of the time $0. When you do the math you get $11.28 (.45*25+.15*15+0*.4). If you fold, you are practically guaranteed 2nd place, not likely first, but not likely 3rd. For fun, we'll say you'll get 2nd 80% of the time, 1st 10% and 3rd 10%. Do the math here you get $15.50 (same math as above, if you are confused, I can go over it in more detail).
So, basically, even though your hand is in his range, you will make more money lifetime by folding this hand than by playing it here. It is a mistake that many MTT players make playing SNG's is that they will take these risks (that make sense in MTT's where first place pays so much more), but don't make sense here.
Since you play at Poker Stars, its the easiest thing in the world.
Just check down the pullbar at "requests", click on the hand-history option, select the tournament number (you can check for it at the lobby, under completed tournaments or look into your pokerstars email, concerning results) OR denote a time frame, and voila !
You can then copy & paste the file onto here, and we will take a look.
Note, that i advise you to select one or two plays/hands at most, it would be way too much to put the HH of the entire tournament here...
Hope i could help :-) beat
Playing games with 20% rake is costing you money. If you can beat these games, you likely aren't going to have trouble winning higher.
To answer your fundamental question:
The mistakes Low-Limit SNG players are making the most.
Hope that helps!
My problem in sngs of any level is my bubble play. It used to be that I'd play too tight, and blind off, or raise with the best hand but get someone who obv has to call given the right price. Now I think I'm playing too loose, and so I've had a lot of 4th place finishes that way. sldfkjldskfkjdsf
thanks jen. thanks just it im really not beating this level............ after approx 400 sngs at 1.20 im only making a profit of approx 16cents for each on I play. would like to improve before moving up.......and honesly i dont have the BR to move up............yet.
Use the advice given above; lots of good stuff! This has become very cliche, but use ABC poker. Don't get fancy and don't make a lot of bluffs. Don't worry about table image (not yours and not even your opponents). You can make vague assumptions about how certain players play, but knowing if they're loose or tight is plenty enough at this limit... position, pot odds, and preflop play (especially around bubble time) are what you should really focus on. Play tight and punish those microdonks when you hit. Don't be afraid of making big bets/raises with premium hands... often times you'll LOSE value by trying to make "value bets" since these clowns are only paying attention to their own cards. Don't be afraid to push hands like JJ+ and AK early on, you'll be way ahead of most players' range most of the time. Play smart on the bubble... depending on the table you can either abuse the bubble (weak/tight players) or hold back and "fold to cash" if you've got a big enough stack (~6K or so at the FT) and everyone is raising/rerasing non-stop.
Edit: Just realized you're talking about single table sngs from your post in hand advice lol. Most of what I said I'd recommend for what you're playing too, but I was specifically talking about 45 mans. And while we're on the subject... play the 45 mans instead :)
agree on the 45-mans, but also the 18-mans are super-soft and often times overlooked IMO. because of the flatter payout, 3rd+ is not bad $$ at all, and you're not playing for 20% diff. once you get HU/3 handed. I grinded the $1.20 18-mans from $26 to $97 in a very short period of time without much trouble at all. also, the $1.75 18man turbos are very, very soft, however they have a little more variance than the $1.20 non-turbos, but you will turn more profit in these over the long term.
I agree, the 18 and 45's are the way to go. The pay out IMO beats the rake, and not much of different in players. I do much better in them than single table sit and goes. I think of them as a small tourney and they play much the same way. I think I need time to settle down and this helps my game.
Excellent Post, Lordxixor !
I wonder : do you calculate stuff like that on top of your head regulary (can it be done ???) or is it simply a matter of experience, e.g. doing post-game ICM analysis, and storing repeated incidents into your memory base ???
Rock On. beat.
I am also grinding them right now, building BR, with success I think (50% ROI/69% ITM on 50 games, after it dropped 'cause of the ridiculous bad beats I took today .. oh well). I'd like to write a small article about this, not because I'm considering myself as an uber-specialist of these games, but to share thoughts, get feedback from good players, and because I think writing my own strategy can be good to my learning process. Anyone interested ?
I just started to grind these as well since i am tryin to build a BR.
After 37 of them (which is a small amount), my ROI is 54%. These are very easy, and I dont think its going to be that hard to maintain a 45-55% ROI on these.