call

I did call fwiw. I'm just wondering how tight i should be here since you can't increase your equity nearly as much as in a regular sng.

Thanks, thought it was really close. Made the crying call and obv lost to 22 lolz

call

pokerstars Game #22530161008: Tournament #124199906, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/12/01 13:12:12 ET
Table '124199906 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RickiSlade (1870 in chips)
Seat 4: Pallieter (5995 in chips)
Seat 5: distroyer888 (640 in chips)
Seat 7: godnondeju (1442 in chips)
Seat 8: BOO009 (2585 in chips)
Seat 9: geezer32 (2468 in chips)
RickiSlade: posts the ante 30
Pallieter: posts the ante 30
distroyer888: posts the ante 30
godnondeju: posts the ante 30
BOO009: posts the ante 30
geezer32: posts the ante 30
Pallieter: posts small blind 150
distroyer888: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RickiSlade [4s Qh]
godnondeju: folds
BOO009: folds
geezer32: folds
RickiSlade: folds
Pallieter: raises 300 to 600
distroyer888: raises 10 to 610 and is all-in
Pallieter has timed out
Pallieter: folds
Uncalled bet (10) returned to distroyer888
Pallieter is sitting out
Pallieter has returned
distroyer888 collected 1380 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1380 | Rake 0
Seat 1: RickiSlade (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Pallieter (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: distroyer888 (big blind) collected (1380)
Seat 7: godnondeju folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BOO009 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: geezer32 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I guess getting 150-1 on a call with the chip lead is not enough to call. He timed out and 1 second later he was back.

Okse you're right, my numbers were confused... Winning an all-in can only gain 3 DOLLARS in equity. Or is it $6? Either way not 3 PERCENT - I was totally wrong.

Before I had read your post I actually edited mine because I felt I was being condescending. I stand by that your default strategy in DoN bubble is being the one doing the shoving and never calling a shove.

<span><table border="0" cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>Player 1</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips1" value="1630" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips1" type="text"></td><td>02.173</td><td>02.622</td><td>03.155</td><td>03.697</td><td>04.141</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>15.789</td></tr><tr><td>Player 2</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips2" value="1800" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips2" type="text"></td><td>02.400</td><td>02.861</td><td>03.373</td><td>03.797</td><td>03.978</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>16.409</td></tr><tr><td>Player 3</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips3" value="1275" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips3" type="text"></td><td>01.700</td><td>02.100</td><td>02.627</td><td>03.302</td><td>04.233</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>13.962</td></tr><tr><td>Player 4</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips4" value="1530" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips4" type="text"></td><td>02.040</td><td>02.478</td><td>03.016</td><td>03.611</td><td>04.213</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>15.358</td></tr><tr><td>Player 5</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips5" value="5605" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips5" type="text"></td><td>07.473</td><td>05.468</td><td>03.647</td><td>02.127</td><td>00.994</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>19.709</td></tr><tr><td>Player 6</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips6" value="3160" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips6" type="text"></td><td>04.213</td><td>04.472</td><td>04.182</td><td>03.466</td><td>02.441</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>18.774</td></tr></tbody></table></span>

i actually did my numbers wrong too so i cant really blame u for messing up urs lol.

this is our equity if we fold in % of prize pool.

15.358% * 200 = $30.716

if we win we obviously get $40

if we lose we have 150 chips left which is calculated to be worth ~3% or $6

risking ~$24 to win ~ 9.3 which means we need to win ~72% of the time. KK is borderline depending on how wide villian is actually shoving but acc to the nash equilibriam if villian is playing ideally this is a call

 

Originally Posted by okse54

<span><table border="0" cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>Player 1</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips1" value="1630" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips1" type="text"></td><td>02.173</td><td>02.622</td><td>03.155</td><td>03.697</td><td>04.141</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>15.789</td></tr><tr><td>Player 2</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips2" value="1800" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips2" type="text"></td><td>02.400</td><td>02.861</td><td>03.373</td><td>03.797</td><td>03.978</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>16.409</td></tr><tr><td>Player 3</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips3" value="1275" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips3" type="text"></td><td>01.700</td><td>02.100</td><td>02.627</td><td>03.302</td><td>04.233</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>13.962</td></tr><tr><td>Player 4</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips4" value="1530" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips4" type="text"></td><td>02.040</td><td>02.478</td><td>03.016</td><td>03.611</td><td>04.213</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>15.358</td></tr><tr><td>Player 5</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips5" value="5605" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips5" type="text"></td><td>07.473</td><td>05.468</td><td>03.647</td><td>02.127</td><td>00.994</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>19.709</td></tr><tr><td>Player 6</td><td><input name="ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder1$tbChips6" value="3160" maxlength="8" id="ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_tbChips6" type="text"></td><td>04.213</td><td>04.472</td><td>04.182</td><td>03.466</td><td>02.441</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>18.774</td></tr></tbody></table></span>

i actually did my numbers wrong too so i cant really blame u for messing up urs lol.

this is our equity if we fold in % of prize pool.

15.358% * 200 = $30.716

if we win we obviously get $40

if we lose we have 150 chips left which is calculated to be worth ~3% or $6

risking ~$24 to win ~ 9.3 which means we need to win ~72% of the time. KK is borderline depending on how wide villian is actually shoving but acc to the nash equilibriam if villian is playing ideally this is a call

No probs man, glad we're both doing our homework.

 

Originally Posted by jimjeff99

Dont want to hi jack your thread. What do you guys think of this one? SB snap called

Seat 3: Slippieman (795 in chips)
Seat 4: ET_mtl (3920 in chips)
Seat 6: Chavarov (2690 in chips)
Seat 7: can_0_beans (3790 in chips)
Seat 9: jimjeff99 (1635 in chips)
Seat 10: krates76 (2170 in chips)
Slippieman: posts the ante 40
ET_mtl: posts the ante 40
Chavarov: posts the ante 40
can_0_beans: posts the ante 40
jimjeff99: posts the ante 40
krates76: posts the ante 40
can_0_beans: posts small blind 200
jimjeff99: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jimjeff99 [4h 6d]
krates76: folds
Slippieman: raises 355 to 755 and is all-in
ET_mtl: folds
Chavarov: folds
can_0_beans: calls 555
jimjeff99: ????

call

these things pay out top 5 right? i know it seems worth it to squeeze for the money, but its not like there was a huge difference in chips between 4th and 6th. definitely more likely to call a shove from a short stack here, than a big stack in the same situation