Alright so I just wanna know what you would do here when you know for a fact villain has AK. You're sitting ridiculously comfortable at this stage but some dumbfk decides to shove 100 big blinds into you. Sat for him for just a while but immediately noticed he was the type to overbet in stupid spots and was 100% sure he had AK. Everybody's calling all day every day right?

pokerstars Game #44139029739: Tournament #311010516, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2010/05/15 15:23:15 CT [2010/05/15 16:23:15 ET]
Table '311010516 70' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: mateiac55 (20135 in chips)
Seat 2: magos1977 (14175 in chips)
Seat 3: speedy1214 (9875 in chips)
Seat 4: bakosa (27720 in chips)
Seat 5: ridgeboy999 (30726 in chips)
Seat 6: pinclicious (21802 in chips)
Seat 7: dominicmn (5771 in chips)
Seat 8: Pryme72 (31900 in chips)
Seat 9: loser67 (13575 in chips)
mateiac55: posts the ante 25
magos1977: posts the ante 25
speedy1214: posts the ante 25
bakosa: posts the ante 25
ridgeboy999: posts the ante 25
pinclicious: posts the ante 25
dominicmn: posts the ante 25
Pryme72: posts the ante 25
loser67: posts the ante 25
loser67: posts small blind 150
mateiac55: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pryme72 [Qd Qc]
magos1977: folds
speedy1214: folds
bakosa: raises 27395 to 27695 and is all-in
ridgeboy999: folds
pinclicious: folds
dominicmn: folds
Pryme72: raises 4180 to 31875 and is all-in
loser67: folds
mateiac55: folds
Uncalled bet (4180) returned to Pryme72
*** FLOP *** [Irrelevant rly]

 

Originally Posted by dazedace

pretty easy to be 100% sure he has AK after you see what he has.

it was just 1 of those spots where his hand is almost face up and you just know. Basically had a Daniel Negreanu moment lol but I'm interested to know if any experienced players feel its a better decision to take your mountain of chips and continue to steadily pwn without risking the expensive coinflip. Of course we gotta take into account theres A LOT of tournament to be played.

AK 80% of the time
Small PP 20% of the time

If it was the Sunday Million I wouldn't call, but since it's only a $3 rebuy I'd call.

I don't think I'd call the all in right there.

snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

you are actually asking one of the ultimate poker questions - do you take small edges for huge stacks?

when you can answer that question grasshopper you will know who you are, not just as a poker player but as a man.

edit - really though, your range is whack, AK is not his whole range, this is an easy call.

I run into AA a lot there at lower stakes.

 

Originally Posted by leftygrove

If you eliminate AA and KK from his range, which I guess you did... you're never worse than a ~54% favorite against his hand. You don't have a big enough edge on this field to warrant folding that.

Need to win the big pots to win. Your edge is never that big that you can pass up on an opportunity like this.

 

Originally Posted by Steve Murkle

I run into AA a lot there at lower stakes.

Agreed, more than a few times had this happen and been shown KK & AA.

I would call.....you're NEVER EVER behind in this spot....& if he doesn't have AK you're a huge favourite to have almost 200bbs and own ppl

This is relevant to your interests.

 

Originally Posted by dazedace

to win chips ? You really think he is shoving AA or KK here? 0 chance he is shoving those 2 hands here, so we are almost certain we have the best hand...

I'm calling, But AA, KK do show up a certain percentage of the time in this kind of monkeyfest.

I'll dig up the HH if you don't believe me.

EDIT: Here you go -not exactly same situation, but it's a $10 on stars and the guy open shoves for 30BB+ - just proves that there will be some idiots that are shoving better on occasion. I still don't think that makes it a fold here. Especially in that tourny where you need to outlast too many people as it is. Take the gift flip (likely flip)

pokerstars Game #43756236502: Tournament #309010585, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/05/07 17:37:35 ET
Table '309010585 67' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ceec2007 (16462 in chips)
Seat 2: philopolo (6635 in chips)
Seat 3: Kostya V12 (41358 in chips)
Seat 4: P0kerbetter (9272 in chips)
Seat 5: abmarks (22884 in chips)
Seat 6: Dogas1 (13836 in chips)
Seat 7: grayice2173 (8274 in chips)
Seat 8: Shayreef (10050 in chips)
Seat 9: spank4you (13808 in chips)
ceec2007: posts the ante 50
philopolo: posts the ante 50
Kostya V12: posts the ante 50
P0kerbetter: posts the ante 50
abmarks: posts the ante 50
Dogas1: posts the ante 50
grayice2173: posts the ante 50
Shayreef: posts the ante 50
spank4you: posts the ante 50
P0kerbetter: posts small blind 200
abmarks: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abmarks [Th Td]
Kostya V12 said, "nice"
Dogas1: calls 400
grayice2173: folds
Shayreef: folds
spank4you: raises 13358 to 13758 and is all-in
ceec2007: folds
philopolo: folds
Kostya V12: folds
P0kerbetter: folds
abmarks: raises 9076 to 22834 and is all-in
Dogas1: folds
Uncalled bet (9076) returned to abmarks
*** FLOP *** [6s Js 4h]
*** TURN *** [6s Js 4h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [6s Js 4h Qc] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
abmarks: shows [Th Td] (a pair of Tens)
spank4you: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
spank4you collected 28566 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 28566 | Rake 0
Board [6s Js 4h Qc Kc]
Seat 1: ceec2007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: philopolo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kostya V12 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: P0kerbetter (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: abmarks (big blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: Dogas1 folded before Flop
Seat 7: grayice2173 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Shayreef folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: spank4you showed [Ah Ad] and won (28566) with a pair of Aces

You can NOT remove AA & KK completly from villians range here. Seems a pretty easy call at this stage of the 3R tho, however with 103BB's in this donkfest you will probably find better spots? If you have nits at the table you have a great stack to steal/re-sreal over the next hour prior to the bubble.
When I think more about this its prolly an easy +EV call, however with a great stack, strat wise it may not be that bad of a fold? Then you can go to the bathroom to be sick.
I may be way off tho?

 

Originally Posted by okse54

pretty sure this "wait for a better spot" concept that ppl love to talk about is a myth and doesnt have actual implications

rly wish ppl would stop refrencing it

Hence the question mark, I cringed after I typed it, lolz. It probally is a pretty good spot. What I was getting at, and I'm sorry to hijack the thread. Do you call in this spot, in a MTT, if you know 100%(cards face up) that he has AK?? Does the 4% edge justify a call in the Poker stars $3r MTT?? I'm also asuming that you have no/minimal stats on opponent when asking this question.

never folding