Okay basically the history is this: The table is very weak and intervention is really the only person who is showing aggression. Rich is playing super tight and fox is playing passive tight. Intervention is to my left and it is obviously me vs him for the table aggression. I would imagine hes calling preflop with a huge range and floating the flop a big percentage of the time here. I figured he would float the flop and try to put pressure on me since there is one real short stack and both opponents are really weak. I wanted to check shove the turn because of the table dynamics but the board paired and he made a good bet. I decided against it because I knew I could get my chips in better, in case he did have it...

What do you guys think or what do you guys do here? Thanks in advance.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9601505278: $60,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (70052022), Table 14 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:11:45 ET - 2008/12/20
Seat 2: Intervention (547,126)
Seat 5: foxjizzle (287,811)
Seat 7: Rich taste1 (99,404)
Seat 8: Cre8ive (376,659)
Intervention antes 1,000
foxjizzle antes 1,000
Rich taste1 antes 1,000
Cre8ive antes 1,000
Cre8ive posts the small blind of 5,000
Intervention posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cre8ive [Ac 5c]
foxjizzle folds
Rich taste1 folds
Cre8ive raises to 28,500
Intervention calls 18,500
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7c 3c]
Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
Cre8ive bets 32,000
Intervention calls 32,000
*** TURN *** [Jd 7c 3c] [3h]
Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
Cre8ive checks
Intervention has 15 seconds left to act
Intervention bets 80,000
Cre8ive has 15 seconds left to act
Cre8ive has requested TIME
Cre8ive folds
Uncalled bet of 80,000 returned to Intervention
Intervention mucks
Intervention wins the pot (125,000)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 125,000 | Rake 0
Board: [Jd 7c 3c 3h]
Seat 2: Intervention (big blind) collected (125,000), mucked
Seat 5: foxjizzle folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Rich taste1 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Cre8ive (small blind) folded on the Turn

 

Originally Posted by MyJobisYou

Probably Check/Call on flop, if he shoves muck....Thing about the CB is if come over the top for a few more chips you gotta call, and if you brick turn it's hard to lead out and he will most certainly bet again....try and lose minimum or peel a free card on flop

this

nice brag btw

Cre8ive,

i honestly think you should have went ahead with your planned line. As I'm sure you know, if you weren't sure about going there then don't bet out on flop. A check raise on flop is now a more "safe" route these days since c-bets get little respect and everyone can float flops.

i'm all for picking on the weak players, but i dont see intervention showing up with a boat here or even a jack. something about his bet size on the turn, seems like he thinks you are giving up with some QTish hand.

nah i wasnt so serious
checkcall flop seems terrible to me

agree with sct obv

in this situation i like your play. no real need to sparr wtih the other best player at the table with only one card to go here. but if he had raised the flop there is no way u can fold. c/r ing flop with these stacks does seem pretty good tho.

 

Originally Posted by blizair

also is, calling the turn really that bad considering you could still have the best hand?????

then what to do if river bricks? are we calling down? curious how you would play that line since you are you. c/f?

Given your read, I'd continue with original plan and c/r all in. Does the board pairing really change that much if we think he's floating a large percentage of the time?

 

Originally Posted by Cre8ive

I guess only if he has a 3. And therefore isnt folding to a shove on the turn and also meaning i only have 8 outs.

Yeah i understand, but I don't see a3 showing up often enough to significantly change the equity in this play, and therefore imo it isn't a big enough factor to change your line.

nice score btw, where did you finish?

One more thing -

You mentioned that he made a good bet on the turn. I may be wrong, but this bet would reinforce my view that he has floating, as we know that this would be his line with air. I think he may check behind you for pot control if he has a moderate holding. Interesting to hear your thoughts on this.

folding the turn in this spot is horrific. just go all in. and please dont ever bet/fold this either.

pretty sure intervention is raising the flop with a jack here especially with the table dynamics that you have been talking about which im sure he knows you recognize so im all in on the flop if i cbet and he reraises(yes he's reraising the flop bet light sometimes as well). im c/ring the turn all in all day too.

 

Originally Posted by SEABEAST

i would barrel the turn but if you check it's only to CRAI

I don't understand why you would bet this turn? Presumably you are planning on bet/calling.
If so, Intervention is either floating, or both players are going to the felt. Don't we want the extra 80k on the occasions when we take it down with the CRAI? Am I missing something?

 

Originally Posted by theVisionary

 

Originally Posted by SEABEAST

i would barrel the turn but if you check it's only to CRAI

I don't understand why you would bet this turn? Presumably you are planning on bet/calling.
If so, Intervention is either floating, or both players are going to the felt. Don't we want the extra 80k on the occasions when we take it down with the CRAI? Am I missing something?

you guys are paranoid, noone just calls J73 but then shoves on J733. you can bet like 69k on the turn and he has 310k still, and his range is still very weak.

the fact it's "a terrible card to double barrel" makes your turn bet look very strong... so he's not going to mess with you in this spot.

he usually raises a jack on the flop, so his range is like, predominantly pair of seven or worse...

i think you elicit a low variance fold on the turn exceptionally often, and i think he shoves very rarely on the turn (he will just call a 7 imo) so you're buying yourself a great price with your FD when he does have a piece

i don't think CRAI is bad but i prefer barreling as you don't risk your whole stack and still have insane fold equity.

when i bet this turn i expect something in the realm of 60% fold 30% call 10% shove probably, so i can't see how it's a bad bet... but if he is bad enough to bet/fold a 7 then CRAI could be even better

barrelling the turn is pretty bad

at risk of making you better, we've already established that we think he has a high float frequency on the flop and so to take away his ability to follow through with the bluff loses a ton of value, and we can't really rep shit when we fire again on the 3 since there are at least some 3s in his range (A3, suited 3x whatever) and as such we are likely to pot control/slowplay most made hands on this board. it's just illogical to bet the turn and typical of tourney players who don't really know how to play post flop. cre8ive had the right idea and i understand why he decided not to follow through with his plan, although he certainly should have.