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Hand analysis: QQ in the BB vs AA on the button 25nl Cash Game

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  1. fbassman2001 fbassman2001 is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 6:41pm)

    I would like some input on a hand I played recently. I was defending my BB against a fairly tight player although I only had 68 hands on him, I posted stats below. To sum the hand up, he raises from the button, I 3 bet with QQ and get 4 bet. My thinking is that there is a fairly good chance he has aces or kings, but he could also have JJ, AK or maybe AQ.

    I decided to bet out on the flop. I did this because I figured it was my only way to win the hand considering he is c-betting close to 100% of the time and I would be forced to fold my hand. If I got raised I was going to throw my hand away knowing that i was beat. As you can see I got lucky on the turn, but I'm still not sure how my play was overall.


    Villain(MP) $28.14 - VP:13 PFR:12 AF:Inf. W:14|100 STL:50|100 3B:0|100 CB:80| 42 Hands:68

    Me(BB) $47.71 - VP:18 PFR:14 AF:2.3 W:30|56 STL:52|74 3B:4|54 CB:79|44


    Pre Flop: Me(BB) with [Qd,Qh]
    SquareUno(UTG) folds, TToDHuMau(MP) folds, NutP3ddler(MP) folds, autohcbc(MP) folds, VRfour(MP) folds, Villain(MP) raises 0.75, ThuggLifee(SB) folds, Me(BB) raises 2, Kimberly73492(MP) raises 5, Me(BB) calls 3.50


    Flop: (Kd,4h,Tc) (2 players)
    Me(BB) bets 5.80, Villain(LP) calls 5.80


    Turn: Qc (2 players)
    Me(BB) bets 36.16, Villain(LP) calls 16.59


    River: (9c)



    Final:
    Villain(MP) shows [Ac,Ad]
    Me(BB) shows [Qd,Qh]
    Me(BB) wins 53.57
    Returns 19.57 to Me(BB)
    Edited By: fbassman2001 Jun 26th, 2012 at 06:44 PM
  2. rayspizza rayspizza is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 7:31pm) in reply to fbassman2001

    If he C-bets 100% of the time, why wouldn't you check/call or C/R? are you really going to call a 4-bet pre then c/f on a K high board? seems like the only hand out of his range that changed value was AK. Also, if you think your only chance to win is by betting, what do you think he is folding? AK, KK and AA? I'm not following you logic.
  3. fbassman2001 fbassman2001 is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:07pm) in reply to rayspizza

    well, i probably played it bad, but if I check called the flop then there would be over 20 dollars in the pot and less than 15 in his hand so then he would shove the turn and I would either call or fold knowing that i am almost always behind. I could have check folded, but that seemed pretty weak. At least with betting out I put some pressure on him.
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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:22pm) in reply to fbassman2001

    I think betting out only gets folds from JJ AQ; this seems like the opposite of putting pressure on him. Also what is plan on the turn if a Q doesn't come, are you going to fire again? Because if you do you are definitely only getting called by better, and there is very little chance of AK, KK or AA folding.

    I mean the pot is basically going to be the same size weather you check the flop or bet the flop. If you bet you let hands you're beating off the hook. If you check you at least exploit his high C-bet %.

    If he raises your flop bet that is basically the same price as check/calling his flop bet, except you get to see the turn in the C/C senario. I assume, if he popped you on the flop you were folding.
    Edited By: rayspizza Jun 26th, 2012 at 08:27 PM
  5. darth wager darth wager is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 11:03pm) in reply to rayspizza

    my norm is to check call here. unless hes a nit post flop.
  6. fbassman2001 fbassman2001 is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2012 (6/27/2012 12:31am) in reply to darth wager

    i guess my issue with check calling here is that the pot was already so big, if I check called the flop, then should I also check call the turn? at that point there would be more in the pot than he had in his stack, so I would be faced with an all in on the turn. At least with betting out he would at least fold his AQ and JJ that he would otherwise turn into a bluff. I'm not sure but I don't see him betting the flop and then checking the turn. I also don't think my QQ can stand an all in on the turn. I would be forced to fold.
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