Only about the third level in, original caller was a NYer who was LAG and trying to run the table, old man next to call was a station (I'm thinking he was a stud or LHE player) the two of them had around 22-28k I was sitting with 16k.

Blinds: 100/200 A-25

NYer limps from UTG+1
Old man limps
I have AJcc and decide to limp
Middle aged guy behind me makes it 600
SB calls, NY calls, Old man calls, I call

FLOP:Qc9c5d

NY checks
Old man bets 700
I call
Original raiser folds,
NY raises to 3k
Old man calls
I call

Turn: Kh

NY bets 4k
Old man calls 4k

My question here is what to do. I've picked up a gutterball with my flush draw and am getting ridiculous odds. Problem being that if I call the 4k it leaves me with round 8k.

Any thoughts?

 

Originally Posted by cheifnakid

Only about the third level in, original caller was a NYer who was LAG and trying to run the table, old man next to call was a station (I'm thinking he was a stud or LHE player) the two of them had around 22-28k I was sitting with 16k.

Blinds: 100/200 A-25

NYer limps from UTG+1
Old man limps
I have AJcc and decide to limp
Middle aged guy behind me makes it 600
SB calls, NY calls, Old man calls, I call

FLOP:Qc9c5d

NY checks
Old man bets 700
I call
Original raiser folds,
NY raises to 3k
Old man calls
I call

Turn: Kh

NY bets 4k
Old man calls 4k

My question here is what to do. I've picked up a gutterball with my flush draw and am getting ridiculous odds. Problem being that if I call the 4k it leaves me with round 8k.

Any thoughts?

Ok....so there's 2700 in the middle pre-flop. (That's a lot of chips pre at 100/200)....plus 700+700 = 4100+3000=7100....

So before we look at your action on the flop you have 15K behind. Looks like you has 2 options on the flop: Shove or Fold. So it was misplayed there, but u still have 12K. At 100/200, you're still in great shape with 12K.

Turn: You now know NY guy is not folding and Old Man is not folding. Unfortunately on the turn you pick up monster outs. But your A is probably dead right now. So you have 15 outs on the river. I would say fold since you don't have a made hand, but this is a HUGE pot to try and pick up.

Stuff and don't look at the river card.

play it even more passive than you did.

I think I would have shoved all in on the flop after the raise to 3K.

Get it in on the flop. You get the old man to fold the best hand and vs a sick NY lag hes gonna have enough worse draws, bluffs, and other dumb shit to justify getting it in here. Can you comment on his open limping vs open raising frequencies? Because I saw he's raising a lot so he shouldn't have many nut hands here besides 55

raise preflop and avoid all this nonsense

800 Pre.

As played. Raise the old mans bet to 3K. Call any shove. Shove over any raise

as played shoving after the CR and call is pretty transparent, but probably the best option.

As played. call and fold to any non Club, 10, or ace.

 

Originally Posted by The Spewtard

Pretty gin flop once its raised pre, there's also a ton in there after the check-raise on the flop. Im probably jamming at this point.

As played, you need to be getting just over 4 to 1 on the call on the turn. So you're definitely priced into calling here. At this point, if the river blanks you've donked half your stack off chasing a draw, so ship it on the flop next time.

this

you need to chip up early cause blinds jump so high fast that you really are no that stacked for that long a period at foxwoods. Hit a big pot and you can push over the table when blinds jump as others complain about getting no hands and you raising and them folding.

F foxwoods megastack imo.

At 200/400 with a 50 ante (6th or 7th level)...

dude minraises to 1025 UTG+1 with 45dd and snapflats OOP when I make it 3800 with TT.

I had 16.5k to start the hand and he had 17k. He was known as the table spewbot having just snapcalled a 5x raise pre with T9o a few orbits ago.

So yeah, he minraise/snapflats 25% of his stack with 5 high, flop comes 678 and he c/raises me all in. Turn is an 8 giving me a 9 out redraw...

GG asshat.

Like how I snuck my BB post into a PD thread? I'm good like that.

 

Originally Posted by rainmanrcp

Nice hijack tho

Mediocre at best....FWIW I went out 200/400 blinds, UTG raises to 1000, I (99) jam for 5800 and he tells me he'll give me bad action.....lol 99<A4 Good call sir

Anyway, since I played it as bad as possible, I might as well say that I lost the pot anyway. I called on the turn since I couldn't fold(spew), the river blanked and the LAG from NY put it all in, the old man announced fold and when I said fold showed a pair of kings with the flush draw. The NY didn't show...

call as played

As played, turn is definitely a call. You're easily getting immediate odds even in the worst case scenario, not to mention your implied odds when you hit.

 

Originally Posted by MeJahAndOmaha

lol

After you flatted my 4x raise OOP with 5 high for 25% of your stack... and the pot was 8,600 and you checked a flopped straight... I bet 6,400 and clearly wasn't going anywhere with an overpair, a gutshot, 6k left behind, and the knowledge that A4o is in your limp/call range.

If you'd be so kind as to continue playing the role, I'd love to E-punch you in the face, rayspizza.

From someone who plays at foxwoods alot, I LOL'd. Some knucklehead wouldn't make a 4 way deal at the final table last week for 3,500$ each for a $230 buy in. 10-20k blinds when he was the short stack. Then he calls my allin with 65dd and i have 55. Obv he flops a fkn 6 and im crippled into 4th place monies. Basically the guy risks a gtd 2k more on short stack w/less than 8 bb's and he risks it on 65 soooooooooted for an extra $500 or so. I lose they make the deal. Fkn asshole

Should have shoved over the Old man's bet of 700 on the flop or folded the c/r.

As played to this point you have to call the 4k. You are getting the right price to draw and have zero FE for a raise. If you hit the river you may or may not get more value but thats no biggie either way as you are getting the price to call now.

my 2 cents