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  1. MDG0RD0N MDG0RD0N is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 11:17pm)

    pokerstars Game #24981264538: Tournament #138953585, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (150/300) - 2009/02/15 17:19:34 ET
    Table '138953585 67' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: pokeral76 (7050 in chips)
    Seat 2: Butters1728 (13475 in chips)
    Seat 3: aitormateo (10325 in chips)
    Seat 4: sonny33333 (16625 in chips)
    Seat 5: mensur62 (11800 in chips)
    Seat 6: MarMoss (5375 in chips)
    Seat 7: spursdk (14375 in chips)
    Seat 8: MDG0RD0N (12925 in chips)
    Seat 9: danutz111 (10375 in chips)
    MarMoss: posts small blind 150
    spursdk: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MDG0RD0N [Jh Jd]
    MDG0RD0N: raises 600 to 900
    danutz111: folds
    pokeral76: raises 1800 to 2700
    Butters1728: folds
    aitormateo: folds
    sonny33333: folds
    mensur62: folds
    MarMoss: folds
    spursdk: calls 2400
    MDG0RD0N: calls 1800
    *** FLOP *** [5d Ts 5c]
    spursdk: bets 6300
    MDG0RD0N: ???

    Average Stack is < 40 BB
    We'll assume no reads.

    I assume my UTG 3x is standard, when pokeral76 comes in for the 3-bet, is it fair to put him on TT+, AK, maybe 99 or AQs? Could he really be 3-betting me light this early with only 23 BB?

    spursdk's flat is odd, he's OOP with me UTG still to act behind him. He's getting 5:3 to play here, I suppose we can give him credit for TT-QQ, AK, maybe AQs, and maybe KK+ (if he wants to disguise his strenth? I can't see how he would just cold call here and not 4-bet AA, KK)

    My call to close the action is again legit, I assume.

    When spursdk leads the flop, he's essentially putting us both to shove or fold decisions. I doubt he would throw this bet out there with AK or AQ, as it's likely one of us has a legitimate pocket pair, so is it safe to tighten his range to TT-QQ (JJ obviously unlikely) and maybe AA or KK?

    If we go another level here, I think both of these guys can take KK+ out of my range, and probably QQ also, as I likely toss a 4-bet in pre-flop (can they take out AK too?), leaving me with 99-JJ, AQs.

    So, with pokeral76 to still act behind me, the range I've put these players on, and the additional level I've gone to, is this an easy laydown? It looks like I can't beat spursdk, and he knows that, and we're both still in the dark about pokeral76.

    Thanks for the responses, and please feel free to correct my ranges and add in your own take!
  2. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 12:02am) in reply to MDG0RD0N

    i fold pre here. his 3 bet with so little chips is screaming strength i dont think hes 3 betting a utg raiser like this with such a short stack with anythign worse then aa kk. this is the sunday million though and early, i think its either a shove pre or a fold. im folding but that mayy be nitty. i think flatting is the worst play
     
  3. MDG0RD0N MDG0RD0N is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 11:43am) in reply to pikappraider78

    Bump...anyone else? C'mon P5!
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  4. SpankyHamm SpankyHamm is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 11:50am) in reply to MDG0RD0N

    The only reason to call his 3-bet pre-flop is to set mine. I fold after flop. He might have AK or air here, but maybe less than 10% of the time.
     
  5. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 11:56am) in reply to SpankyHamm

    very easy fold pre.. fold>shove>flat
  6. rungoodmuch rungoodmuch is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 11:57am) in reply to MDG0RD0N

     
    Originally Posted by MDG0RD0N View Post

    Bump...anyone else? C'mon P5!

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center><TD align=left colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Re:Hand from the Sunday Million... </TD><TD vAlign=center align=right>In reply to </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>By pikappraider78 on 02-16-2009 12:02 AM </TD><TD align=right>Reply Quote </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=P5_PostContent><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ForumPostContentText>i fold pre here. his 3 bet with so little chips is screaming strength i dont think hes 3 betting a utg raiser like this with such a short stack with anythign worse then aa kk. this is the sunday million though and early, i think its either a shove pre or a fold. im folding but that mayy be nitty. i think flatting is the worst play
    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>this is all the advice you need
  7. roco415 roco415 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 1:29pm) in reply to MDG0RD0N

    idk, i really like your analysis, i feel like ive been flatted like this many times by JJ and QQ exclusively while they hope to dodge the A or K high boards...i would fold flop, i think you played it pretty well...
  8. younggunzosu22 younggunzosu22 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 2:19pm) in reply to roco415

    Pretty easy fold pre.
     
  9. Woodsmith111 Woodsmith111 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 2:24pm) in reply to roco415

     
    Originally Posted by roco415 View Post

    idk, i really like your analysis, i feel like ive been flatted like this many times by JJ and QQ exclusively while they hope to dodge the A or K high boards...i would fold flop, i think you played it pretty well...

    I would agree, you anlysis is pretty spot on, J-J is not what you want to stake your tourney life on this point. But I thought the preflop bet was fine.
  10. mckiley mckiley is offline

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    Feb 18th, 2009 (2/18/2009 7:48am) in reply to younggunzosu22

     
    Originally Posted by younggunzosu22 View Post

    Pretty easy fold pre.

    lol...does this mean you fold jacks to any reraise pre?? if so, wanna play? jp lol
  11. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Feb 18th, 2009 (2/18/2009 9:20am) in reply to mckiley

     
    Originally Posted by mckiley View Post

     
    Originally Posted by younggunzosu22 View Post

    Pretty easy fold pre.

    lol...does this mean you fold jacks to any reraise pre?? if so, wanna play? jp lol

    no it means that when he opens jj utg and a shortstack with 13bbs 3 bets for half his stack he folds since this totally polarizes the 3 betters range as super strong. and the sb flats, which is rare, i dont know baout u but im not flatting 3 bets from the sb very light
     
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