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  1. GB2005 GB2005 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:23pm)

    were both 2 of the deeper stacks.

    I could have folded preflop clearly, but i didnt.

    whats more longterm profitable
    -betting flop, folding to c/r
    -check flop, call down
    -another way

    Full Tilt Poker Game #4486251548: $16 000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (33405414) Table 18 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:26:30 ET - 2007/12/13
    Seat 1: rusostreet (25 360)
    Seat 2: 88_SPIDER_88 (52 328)
    Seat 3: GB2005 (203 229)
    Seat 4: Vetstadium (43 020)
    Seat 5: dummyhyphy (159 519)
    Seat 6: P0KERPR0 (259 600)
    Seat 7: five_over (51 182)
    Seat 8: JaeMills (292 506)
    Seat 9: StFred (60 256)
    rusostreet antes 600
    88_SPIDER_88 antes 600
    GB2005 antes 600
    Vetstadium antes 600
    dummyhyphy antes 600
    P0KERPR0 antes 600
    five_over antes 600
    JaeMills antes 600
    StFred antes 600
    P0KERPR0 posts the small blind of 2,500
    five_over posts the big blind of 5,000
    The button is in seat #5

    Holecards:
    Dealt to GB2005 [ ]
    JaeMills folds
    StFred folds
    rusostreet: I know
    rusostreet folds
    88_SPIDER_88 folds
    GB2005 raises to 13,000
    Vetstadium folds
    dummyhyphy folds
    P0KERPR0 calls 10,500
    rusostreet: lool
    five_over folds

    Flop:
    [ ]
    P0KERPR0 checks
    GB2005 checks

    Turn:
    [ ] [ ]
    P0KERPR0 bets 20,000
    GB2005 calls 20,000

    River:
    [ ] [ ]
    P0KERPR0 bets 46,000
    GB2005 : pls show me bway
    GB2005 has 15 seconds left to act
    GB2005 calls 46 000
    rusostreet : obc that guy never read a book either

    Showdown:
    P0KERPR0 shows [ ] a straight, Ace high
    GB2005 shows [ ] three of a kind, Aces
    P0KERPR0 wins the pot (168,400) with a straight, Ace high

    SUMMARY:
    Total pot 168,400 | Rake 0
    Board:
    [ ]
    Seat 1: rusostreet folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: 88_SPIDER_88 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: GB2005 showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind Aces
    Seat 4: Vetstadium folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: dummyhyphy (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: P0KERPR0 (small blind) showed [ ] and won (168 400) with a straight Ace high
    Seat 7: five_over (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: JaeMills folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: StFred folded before the Flop
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  2. Annette_15 Annette_15 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:26pm) in reply to GB2005

    I play it the same way.
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  3. AceWPT AceWPT is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:27pm) in reply to GB2005

    tough hand since you know youre getting reraised on that flop with a million hands
     
  4. kdogpenny1 kdogpenny1 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:28pm) in reply to GB2005

    You cant think playing this hand the way you did you could exploit someone who is really good at poker. IMO you cant beat shit by the river if he's value betting you this hard but then again, i woulda never made it this far into the hand without getting more money into the pot.
  5. CP_MagiciaN CP_MagiciaN is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:39pm) in reply to kdogpenny1

    I really like ur line.
     
  6. DoubleS00ted DoubleS00ted is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:40pm) in reply to GB2005

    I play it same way fo sheez.
  7. rusostreet rusostreet is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:55pm) in reply to DoubleS00ted

    I liked the way you played it, I thought it was practically perfect.
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  8. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:56pm) in reply to rusostreet

    agree with everyone i thought u played it perfect.
     
  9. PiKappRaider PiKappRaider is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 6:57pm) in reply to rusostreet

    Hardly say perfect... but optimal
     
  10. sketchy1 sketchy1 is offline Dangerzone

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 7:00pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    perfect = instamuck pre

    as played i don't mind it but i prob fold river. i just can't imagine being ahead that often. he is rarely bluffing IMO.
      

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  11. Bawsten Bawsten is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 7:00pm) in reply to GB2005

    IDK You kind of cant put him on anything that you beat other than a flush draw on the turn but I dont think that PP is going to be calling down with a flush draw but I dont play with him so I cant really tell.
  12. rusostreet rusostreet is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 7:03pm) in reply to Bawsten

    I was at the table and it seemed perfecto to me but optimal is def. a better word for it. :-)
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  13. AGame18 AGame18 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 7:31pm) in reply to GB2005

    I like..............I def. bet this flop some of the time to mix it up and not give away to my opp. what I have. When you check back this flop he's usually gonna put you on right about what you have or some sort of pair+straight draw type hand, so I like betting flop some of the time for deception value, but certainly a check is fine. I like turn and river.
     
  14. TMLMS13 TMLMS13 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:14pm) in reply to GB2005

    A6 in middle position is a little to wide for me. alot of times your getting called by hands that dominate you and can easily get yourself into big trouble if you hit that dominated card (the ace)

    that said, post flop you played it perfectly, nothing you could do.
  15. hotdawg555 hotdawg555 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:37pm) in reply to GB2005

    I know I'm a donk, but would it really be so easy for Pokerpro to call a shove on the river assuming the flop and turn were played the same way?
  16. sketchy1 sketchy1 is offline Dangerzone

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:39pm) in reply to hotdawg555

    considering i don't think he's EVER checking two pair or a set on that flop after he checks broadway to him, no it wouldn't be hard.
      
  17. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:40pm) in reply to GB2005

    Even raising pre is solid given it's getting deeper in the tournament and you have one of the deep stacks, calling him down is exactly the way to play it because he's obviously calling pre with broadway cards or a pair and he's a tricky player who might pop you with a lot of hands to that flop. wp.
  18. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:41pm) in reply to hotdawg555

    Yes because hero has a boat almost never. He would have to be checking behind a set or two pair on the flop. I mean no way would I fold KQ there ever.
  19. MookMonster MookMonster is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:41pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

    GREAT POST and great comments from great players..

    WE NEED MOVE OF THIS ON HERE
  20. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:45pm) in reply to GB2005

    seems pretty standard.
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  21. durk86 durk86 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:46pm) in reply to sketchy1

    After your turn call, he continues to bet into you. What do you beat other than a pair-missed draw combo or missed flush. I think a fold on the river is reasonable unless you have a read on villian having air here. And obv you have a read because you called his hand in the chat.
  22. candida candida is online now

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:46pm) in reply to pokerjamers

    I play it the same on every street
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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:48pm) in reply to hotdawg555

    i told gb i would play it the same. but i feel like when i check flops like this or say JJ on a QTx board im almost tying myself into calling on later streets.
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  24. hotdawg555 hotdawg555 is offline

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 8:57pm) in reply to TheConArtist

    i agree and would play the hand the same way...my point was just to take things a step further.....
    considering that these are 2 thinking players gb has got to ask himself what hand pokerpro would likely be calling with out of the small blind against another big stack. KQ is definitely a possiblility. So on that flop, assuming pokerpro puts him on a big ace, is it not entirely possible that gb would check behind in the hopes that the board would pair? When the board does pair would GB get any action if he did reraise the turn? When smooth called does that definitely tell pokerpro that he has AK/AQ?

    My point is only that yes, against non-thinking players, GB took the optimal line. However, against GB i don't think pokerpro could call a shove with KQ as played, because he knows that theres no way GB is shoving anything that broadway beats.

    Knowing you are up against a person who's game you respect, what does everyone here do if the river is shoved and you are pokerpro??? I maintain that a call is not so simple.
  25. P0KERPR033 P0KERPR033 is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 12:50am) in reply to GB2005

    I thought this was an interesting hand as well gb but I agree with what the majority said and that you played it optimally. I think you could possibly fold river to an extremly tight player but never someone like me. I would have played it the same way.
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