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Hand vs 30/23.3 opponent

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  1. gambler2k4 gambler2k4 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 12:24pm)

    What should I do here? The guy plays 30/23.3 and I'm 99% sure he bets a set on the flop.

    pokerstars GAME #: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/08/12 - 12:18:35 (ET)
    Table 'Markab' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: gambler2k4 ($422 in chips)
    Seat 2: olivier34 ($695.70 in chips)
    Seat 3: nestegg1 ($438.30 in chips)
    Seat 5: schreech ($932.80 in chips)
    Seat 6: Dofnsman43 ($416.50 in chips)
    olivier34: posts small blind $2
    nestegg1: posts big blind $4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gambler2k4 [3c 4c]
    schreech: folds
    Dofnsman43: raises $12 to $16
    gambler2k4: calls $16
    olivier34: folds
    nestegg1: calls $12
    *** FLOP *** [3h 7d Qd]
    nestegg1: checks
    Dofnsman43: checks
    gambler2k4: checks
    *** TURN *** [3h 7d Qd] [4h]
    nestegg1: checks
    Dofnsman43: bets $44
    gambler2k4: raises $80 to $124
    nestegg1: folds
    Dofnsman43: raises $276.50 to $400.50 and is all-in
     
  2. reddog133 reddog133 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 12:28pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    call
  3. RoyalCrusher RoyalCrusher is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 12:39pm) in reply to reddog133

    fold pre.
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  4. kokonotz kokonotz is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 12:40pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    He has 56 - maybe hearts. You're beat. Fold.

    Edit - he might have 76hh too, but not any queen or set, two pair of any sort is unlikely. Check flop seems to represent something he doesn't want raised/bet off.

    Edit 2 - maybe case 4? maybe 74?

    I say uhhh <10% set of 4s, 15% 74, 30% 65 (maybe hearts), 45% flush draw/gutshot + one pair.

    He doesn't have a Q is the only thing i can say for 99% sure.
  5. gambler2k4 gambler2k4 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 12:41pm) in reply to RoyalCrusher

    No, I think if anything; I should have 3-bet preflop.
     
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  6. dlperrio dlperrio is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 12:42pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    Boy you run into some tough spots gambler. I would be wanting to call here really bad. But, I think hes trapping you here. With what? I have no clue, thats why I would fold. I'm such a nit.
     
  7. ProfessorFrn ProfessorFrn is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:18pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    I think he has a queen with a flush draw....something like AQh.
     
  8. bbbbb33 bbbbb33 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:20pm) in reply to ProfessorFrn

    yeah AQ is not checking the flop.

    you are beat. fold.
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  9. iminurhead iminurhead is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:24pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    fold preflop
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:40pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    i'd call here..if ur 99% sure he bets out his sets, snap call..i tihnk ur gonna see a lot of random one pair/bluff type hands in this spot, and if he did back into a straigh or some weird 2 pr., oh well. resultss???

    EDIT: missed the fl draw on the turn, adds a lot more hands to his range that ur ahead of..
  11. RoyalCrusher RoyalCrusher is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:42pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    fold > 3bet> call
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  12. dankness3 dankness3 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:18pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    if your really that sure he bets out his sets then you kind of have to call here because the only hand that beats you is 56, however I certainly dont feel too good with bottum two in this spot. On a side note, Nestegg1 normally plays 10-20 and up and is the brother of Blitzforce, if any of you are familar with that maniac.
     
  13. d2themfi d2themfi is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:23pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    call. He was trying to c/r the flop with a draw. Sometimes he shows up with 56 but you have to pay off
     
  14. dandickau dandickau is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 3:05pm) in reply to d2themfi

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  15. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 3:14pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    LAG morons can't slowplay? This seems like a telegraphed QQ or 77 to me.
  16. triggathree triggathree is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 4:02pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    I never play cash so this could be way off but

    what is the point of raising the turn if you are folding to a shove with a strong hand here.

    I could understand i guess raising with complete air and then folding

    but if you were planning on folding to a shove why not call the turn

    and then call his bet on the river.

    seems to me like you get more value that way then raising and folding

    unless of course you are planning to call his shove.
     
  17. Reynolds XO Reynolds XO is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 4:43pm) in reply to triggathree

    A set is not in this guy's range. He would play the straight this way and some type of combo draw with the heart. That said I probably call him cuz this guy is a spewtard
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  18. dlperrio dlperrio is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 5:30am) in reply to Reynolds XO

    So what did he have?
     
  19. Rebuy Ron Rebuy Ron is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 8:35am) in reply to dlperrio

    the only hands that play this way that you beat are KK and AA, is your opponent stupid? 30/23 doesn't mean much to me i guess
  20. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 8:41am) in reply to Rebuy Ron

    Call, you're ahead. He has aces, kings, or some combo draw, all of which you are ahead of. An opponent running 30/23 is likely pushing his big draws real hard and because you checked the flop he probably thinks he can push you off. 99% sure you're ahead here.
     
  21. Phi Phi is offline aka tennisee

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 9:15am) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

    He had 56 right?
  22. wavegoodbye wavegoodbye is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 11:27am) in reply to gambler2k4

    This is a pretty dum thread IMO,

    You call/float the flop 34s, after someone raises it 4 times the bb

    You are lucky enough to get your free card after the flop, even though you obviously woulda called any bet there anyways

    You hit your miracle two pair on the turn and get buddy to put all his money in... and now you need advice on what to do.
    What is the point of playing those cards if you fold after hitting. If he has you beat its unlucky, there are two flush draws and possible straight draws as well. ONly thing that beats you is set (doubtful) or 56 (possible, but not worth worrying about when you alreeady check raised half your stack in)

    ON a personal level I hope he has you beat, and you stop making attention seeking threads

    Thanks
  23. PBJenkinsssssss PBJenkinsssssss is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:29pm) in reply to wavegoodbye

    thank goodness you told us he was a 23.3 and not just a 23. this really helps. also, here's a HH which could help everyone make a decision:

    pokerstars GAME #7469740355: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2006/12/16 - 15:19:51 (ET)
    Table 'Peneleos' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 4: Dalmations ($597 in chips)
    Seat 5: Lukieplaya ($4614 in chips)
    Seat 6: gambler2k4 ($995 in chips)
    Lukieplaya: posts small blind $5
    gambler2k4: posts big blind $10
    __2cb__: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Lukieplaya [4d As]
    Dalmations: folds
    Lukieplaya: raises $30 to $40
    gambler2k4: raises $100 to $140
    Longhorne joins the table at seat #2
    Lukieplaya: raises $4474 to $4614 and is all-in
    gambler2k4: calls $855 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [8h 2d 3h]
    *** TURN *** [8h 2d 3h] [6d]
    *** RIVER *** [8h 2d 3h 6d] [2h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Lukieplaya: shows [4d As] (a pair of Deuces)
    gambler2k4: mucks hand
    Lukieplaya collected $1989 from pot

    finally, there is a hand advice forum.
  24. Neeek Neeek is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:45pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    you guys could probably piss off if you dont like the posts. Not sure what you have against this guy, but this is a pretty interesting hand IMO. This is a pretty tough situation, as it seemed right off that there are only a few hands he would play this way that you have beat, and many that beat you. However, if he is competenet he doesnt check any sets on the flop, and it is very hard for him to have a larger 2-pair on this board despite the fact that he is a 30. He could have 56, which I think I would have to pay off; it is more likely he has an overpair or combo draw type hand that you are ahead of at the moment. Go ahead and stick it in, particularly with the advice that he is a "spewtard".
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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 12:47pm) in reply to wavegoodbye

    i'll not comment on 'attention seeking' and all that, but do agree with the above poster, if you are going to check/raise the turn after hitting your hand (which is a pre-flop fold most times i'd think), you have to call the shove. you hit and his range includes flush draws and even AQ i'd imagine if he put YOU on the flush draw (which is possible based on your check raise perhaps?)

    if he does have the straight you have outs, and your read is "no set" by the guy, so i can't see where anything but a call of the shove is correct based on your play to this point.
  26. wny2nyc47 wny2nyc47 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 1:05pm) in reply to gambler2k4

    The only thing interesting is this gentleman's willingness to post his laggy calltard HHs out-of-topic looking for hand advice to justify his poor play.

    Oh, and he calls out other people's play in his posts, so I (and obv several others) have no problem bashing the continued laggy calltard out-of-topic HHs.

    You should spare us all the suspense. You called and lost to a better hand.
  27. ecu3270 ecu3270 is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 5:56pm) in reply to wny2nyc47

    He doesn't have two pair here, you said your read is that he would bet a set so those are out. The only hand you lose to is 56s, so I shove expecting to be ahead.

    You beat a lot of his likely holding which are combo draws IMO. I don't think he checks the flop with AA, KK, AQ and if he did play those hands weird, you're ahead.
  28. ahh_snap ahh_snap is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 6:33pm) in reply to ecu3270

    You must have a horrendously tight table image if you're even considering folding this... he could have a better two pair but a flush draw is a huge part of his range and you're getting good odds.
  29. menzdavid menzdavid is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 11:37pm) in reply to ahh_snap

    ok i know this is a really basic concept but what is a 30/23.3???? pls dont flame
  30. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Aug 13th, 2007 (8/13/2007 11:41pm) in reply to menzdavid

    they're poker tracker stats. The first one is VPIP, (percentage of the time they voluntariy put money in pot) .

    the second is preflop raising percentage

    with no other reads these are the standard stats used to profile players
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