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Hand vs Hoodini in 109r and random

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  1. BrokenTPot BrokenTPot is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:14pm)

    pokerstars Game #28838152428: Tournament #165726466, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/05/31 16:48:50 ET
    Table '165726466 70' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: icallseat3 (5963 in chips)
    Seat 2: zhhhhangte (21484 in chips)
    Seat 3: hoodini10 (15858 in chips)
    Seat 4: driftdc5 (11735 in chips)
    Seat 5: xray (14927 in chips)
    Seat 6: BrokenTPot (35675 in chips)
    Seat 7: madvill (15204 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ggod (50670 in chips)
    Seat 9: PedroVideira (18410 in chips)
    icallseat3: posts the ante 75
    zhhhhangte: posts the ante 75
    hoodini10: posts the ante 75
    driftdc5: posts the ante 75
    xray: posts the ante 75
    BrokenTPot: posts the ante 75
    madvill: posts the ante 75
    Ggod: posts the ante 75
    PedroVideira: posts the ante 75
    xray: posts small blind 400
    BrokenTPot: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BrokenTPot [As Js]
    madvill: folds
    Ggod: folds
    PedroVideira: folds
    icallseat3: folds
    zhhhhangte: folds
    hoodini10: raises 1300 to 2100
    driftdc5: folds
    xray: calls 1700

    brokentpot : ??

    Ok is this the easiest shove ever? 1st hand at the table, no idea on villian and obv I no Hood. Ill Post results. Thanks

    Broken
     
  2. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:20pm) in reply to BrokenTPot

    hoodini isn't r/f here often, i'd expect him to show up with a typical r/c range. Since its your first hand and have no idea on ranges i fold.
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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:20pm) in reply to BrokenTPot

    i'm pretty sure you jammed and got there vs hoodini's QQ

    in all honesty though this is probably a fold. hoodini knows you're gonna jam like absurdly light on him, so i doubt he's raise/folding very often. if you guys have no prior history or anything, i would just assume that my thought process is accurate
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  4. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:22pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    i'm pretty sure you jammed and got there vs hoodini's QQ

    in all honesty though this is probably a fold. hoodini knows you're gonna jam like absurdly light on him, so i doubt he's raise/folding very often. if you guys have no prior history or anything, i would just assume that my thought process is accurate

    Sounds good to me...
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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:24pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    shoving>calling>folding

    there's no reason why he can't raise fold from his position
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  6. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:30pm) in reply to darkhawk-200

     
    Originally Posted by darkhawk-200 View Post

    shoving>calling>folding

    there's no reason why he can't raise fold from his position

    calling cant even be an option; sb flats with that stack even tho hes meh and hoodini is rarelyyyyy r/f here thus this is a pretty easy fold
     
  7. Dead Money Dom Dead Money Dom is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:30pm) in reply to BrokenTPot

    seems like a fold, xray isnt a random and you arent getting 2 good players to fold to that shove when they both have under 20 bbs.
     
  8. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:33pm) in reply to darkcheck_

    if you can't shove ajs or below, hoodini can raise/fold atc profitable
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  9. Dead Money Dom Dead Money Dom is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:37pm) in reply to darkhawk-200

     
    Originally Posted by darkhawk-200 View Post

    if you can't shove ajs or below, hoodini can raise/fold atc profitable

    i think its a shove vs just hoodini but xray throws in a different dynamic.
     
  10. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:50pm) in reply to Dead Money Dom

     
    Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom View Post

     
    Originally Posted by darkhawk-200 View Post

    if you can't shove ajs or below, hoodini can raise/fold atc profitable

    i think its a shove vs just hoodini but xray throws in a different dynamic.

    yea u r right
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  11. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    May 31st, 2009 (5/31/2009 5:53pm) in reply to darkhawk-200

    Of course he can raise ATC/fold profitably if he knows that u know all that. All he knows is some randoms are behind him with resteal stacks. If he's done this before (r/f) then it's a lot different, but assuming he's just a normal person with no reads on players, then it's a fold. Kind of player dependent isn't it? The flatter isn't a big deal unless he knows tricky crap so I'd check his opr and determine whether this is all just a huge metagame hand lol
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