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  1. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:15pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10157559072: $65,000 Guarantee (75949431), Table 69 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:10:53 ET - 2009/01/20 Seat 1: PeachyMer (2,870) Seat 2: dsindy (2,860) Seat 4: fisheater111 (2,850) Seat 5: DocDR (2,730) Seat 6: lucky seven (2,980) Seat 7: nj1976 (3,220) Seat 8: runondiesel (2,910) Seat 9: 4everunkown (3,000) dsindy posts the small blind of 10 fisheater111 posts the big blind of 20 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to 4everunkown [4s 5s] DocDR folds lucky seven folds nj1976 has 15 seconds left to act nj1976 calls 20 runondiesel folds 4everunkown calls 20 PeachyMer calls 20 dsindy calls 10 fisheater111 checks *** FLOP *** [5d 5h Qs] dsindy checks fisheater111 has 15 seconds left to act fisheater111 checks nj1976 checks 4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act 4everunkown bets 60 set_member1 sits down set_member1 adds 3,000 PeachyMer calls 60 dsindy folds fisheater111 folds nj1976 folds *** TURN *** [5d 5h Qs] [4c] 4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act 4everunkown bets 140 PeachyMer calls 140 *** RIVER *** [5d 5h Qs 4c] [6s] 4everunkown bets 360 PeachyMer has 15 seconds left to act PeachyMer raises to 1,580 4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act 4everunkown has requested TIME I think fold looks very good here thoughts?
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:18pm) in reply to rock3656

    What, how is this a fold? You only putting here on 65 or QQ? QQ raises pre and I think 65 would raise turn to give herself the chance to stack you on river.
     
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:22pm) in reply to Leet8s

    dl firefox
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:24pm) in reply to rock3656

    so you think she just calls with 5x? Does she know who you are on ftp?
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:25pm) in reply to rock3656

    Damn that is a big raise on the river, I would still call.
     
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:26pm) in reply to doubledave22

     
    Originally Posted by doubledave22 View Post

    dl firefox

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:32pm) in reply to rock3656

    Hmm, smells like she was just calling you on the flop and turn for showdown value w/6-6 and binked the river. Either that or a rag Q trying ot get a better Q to fold. I'm a station so I'd probably call.
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:43pm) in reply to SICKTIGHT311

    i think she has me labeled as a calling station because I made a bad call vs her before in a big pot, so this river raise sizing even leads me more towards a fold..maybe A5s?
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:47pm) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

    i think she has me labeled as a calling station because I made a bad call vs her before in a big pot, so this river raise sizing even leads me more towards a fold..maybe A5s?

    ummmmmm what? If she thinks you are a station wouldnt that make you want to call this? Lol
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:52pm) in reply to threeven

    good point sir.
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:53pm) in reply to Leet8s

    certainly call
    if she turns 66 than w/e
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 7:55pm) in reply to Leet8s

     
    Originally Posted by Leet8s View Post

    What, how is this a fold? You only putting here on 65 or QQ? QQ raises pre and I think 65 would raise turn to give herself the chance to stack you on river.

    she could POSSSIBLY have a5s but i highly doubt it.
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 8:11pm) in reply to patvoytko

     
    Originally Posted by patvoytko View Post

    certainly call
    if she turns 66 than w/e

    66 doesnt exsist in this hand.
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 8:23pm) in reply to rock3656

    She never has QQ. She has to be awful to have 66 (or Q5 obviously). She is not awful. Therefore the only hand you lose to is 65. She can and will have worse hands in her value range and she will also be bluffing a non-0 % of the time.

    I think folding is terrible.
     
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 8:32pm) in reply to ASPoker8

     
    Originally Posted by ASPoker8 View Post

    She never has QQ. She has to be awful to have 66 (or Q5 obviously). She is not awful. Therefore the only hand you lose to is 65. She can and will have worse hands in her value range and she will also be bluffing a non-0 % of the time.

    I think folding is terrible.

    exactly this
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 11:53pm) in reply to ASPoker8

     
    Originally Posted by ASPoker8 View Post

    She never has QQ. She has to be awful to have 66 (or Q5 obviously). She is not awful. Therefore the only hand you lose to is 65. She can and will have worse hands in her value range and she will also be bluffing a non-0 % of the time.

    I think folding is terrible.

    ok more of the response i was looking for, now what hands are in her value range?
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 11:59pm) in reply to rock3656

    A5s 65s K5s
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 12:00am) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by ASPoker8 View Post

    She never has QQ. She has to be awful to have 66 (or Q5 obviously). She is not awful. Therefore the only hand you lose to is 65. She can and will have worse hands in her value range and she will also be bluffing a non-0 % of the time.

    I think folding is terrible.

    ok more of the response i was looking for, now what hands are in her value range?

    It basically looks like if she doesn't have a bluff, she can only really possibly have either A5s or some kind of 5x suited semi connector, 57s, 53s, 58s etc. (thats all assuming she limps all those hands and she might not with ones as bad as 53s) going for value if she thinks you are a station.

    Of course, this would be a rlllllllllly sick spot for her to be turning a worse queen into a bluff since you might go for 3 streets with KQ/QJ (although that itself is kinda sick) and you have to fold those hands OBV. That would actually make a lot of sense with her line. She would obv wouldn't do this though if she had you pegged as a station.
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 12:03am) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

    i think she has me labeled as a calling station because I made a bad call vs her before in a big pot, so this river raise sizing even leads me more towards a fold..maybe A5s?

    also, just because she saw you make a bad call once in a big pot doesn't necessarily mean she has you pegged as a station. It may be quite the opposite, she might have pegged you as a thinking player capable of making big loose calls when you felt it was correct.

    Who knows tho
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 3:03am) in reply to rock3656

    Seems like she has exactly 65s. She saw no point in raising before the river cause you either have a Q or a bluff which you'll fold or a 5 in which case you might have her beat.

    I think she'd raise the turn with K5 or A5 to try and build the pot in case you do have the 5, same for Q5 which I don't see why she would not have there. Is it that bad to limp Q5s behind two limpers otb especially if you see them as weak players?

    I don't think I ever fold there though=]
     
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 3:35am) in reply to yellowhat

    I'm retardedly bad at poker but I def limp Q5s behind a none 0% of the time.
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 3:38am) in reply to threeven

     
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post

    I'm retardedly bad at poker but I def limp Q5s behind a none 0% of the time.

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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 4:15am) in reply to yellowhat

     
    Originally Posted by yellowhat View Post

    Seems like she has exactly 65s. She saw no point in raising before the river cause you either have a Q or a bluff which you'll fold or a 5 in which case you might have her beat.

    I think she'd raise the turn with K5 or A5 to try and build the pot in case you do have the 5, same for Q5 which I don't see why she would not have there. Is it that bad to limp Q5s behind two limpers otb especially if you see them as weak players?

    I don't think I ever fold there though=]

    I'm gonna say this. And also I wouldn't expect her to have you pegged as anything unless you have previous history with her. This early on I highly doubt she is paying that close of attention as I assume she has many tables up and is likely to be on auto pilot at least to some degree.
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 6:28am) in reply to threeven

     
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post

    I'm retardedly bad at poker but I def limp Q5s behind a none 0% of the time.

    I don't think overlimping Q5s is a huge mistake or anything. What I should have said is that I would expect peachymer to be overlimping Q5s closer to 0% of the time than 10% of the time. If I were to consider it in her range at all, I'd discount it to something like (0.01*Q5s). Also I'd be inclined to think something along the lines of "if she has Q5s in her range, whatever, enjoy my chips because I honestly am not worried about making the mistake of leaving Q5s out of her range when making my decision."
     
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 6:48am) in reply to ASPoker8

    You can never fold this hand here in a tournament. If your beat then gg, its a cooler, just register for another one.

    I'd never smooth call here either, its a better spot then ever to go broke. If you just call you will be crippled anyway.
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 7:58am) in reply to rock3656

    u realise u have a full house and she thinks ur a station?

    this is 1 of those "High 5" the monitor times imo..
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 8:23am) in reply to rock3656

    You have to call.

    By leading after the flop and the turn, your hand is very well disguised.

    The river bet looks like A5 for value to me.

    Just ask yourself this, if she holds A5 can she just flat call the river?

    No way and hence the large raise on the river (in her mind for value).
     
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 9:13am) in reply to rock3656

    gld rock!
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    Jan 21st, 2009 (1/21/2009 5:36pm) in reply to kowboy8686

     
    Originally Posted by kowboy8686 View Post

    gld rock!

    lol not saying i folded..but I just really felt the only hand shed take this line with would be 56s I think she raises the turn with all her big fives that i beat on the river, especially with the raise sizing on the river i was playing with my friend and i bet him 10 dollars she had 56 and still called and she had it :-( results oriented much i guess? but i dn just comes down to being there, just because something looks bad on paper doesn't mean that it is, any one with a brain knows that.
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