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hand vs xthesteinx in the $320

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  1. melbournejoe melbournejoe is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 4:46pm)

    he's been fairly active, haven't seen him squeeze before, but hasn't had a lot of opportunitys to either. He sees me as active also.
    whats our plan?

    pokerstars Game #22070828764: Tournament #119386895, $300+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2008/11/15 17:39:06 ET
    Table '119386895 49' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: wimnl (14852 in chips)
    Seat 2: MWKT (38953 in chips)
    Seat 3: ATLienCP (36456 in chips)
    Seat 4: CARDRACK111 (19062 in chips)
    Seat 5: MelbourneJoe (32605 in chips)
    Seat 6: mrdv8 (7728 in chips)
    Seat 7: icufish (27050 in chips)
    Seat 8: xthesteinx (56662 in chips)
    Seat 9: SCARFACE1 (28997 in chips)
    wimnl: posts the ante 125
    MWKT: posts the ante 125
    ATLienCP: posts the ante 125
    CARDRACK111: posts the ante 125
    MelbourneJoe: posts the ante 125
    mrdv8: posts the ante 125
    icufish: posts the ante 125
    xthesteinx: posts the ante 125
    SCARFACE1: posts the ante 125
    icufish: posts small blind 600
    xthesteinx: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MelbourneJoe [Th Tc]
    SCARFACE1: folds
    wimnl: folds
    MWKT: raises 1725 to 2925
    ATLienCP: folds
    CARDRACK111: folds
    MelbourneJoe: calls 2925
    mrdv8: folds
    icufish: folds
    xthesteinx: raises 4275 to 7200
    MWKT: folds
    MelbourneJoe:??????

    thanks
     
  2. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 4:49pm) in reply to melbournejoe

    i say this spot sucks ass. I cant think of a good option tbh. Could flat and get it in on the flop if theres only 1 or no overs, could easily justify folding, shoving is meh cause JJ+ is calling u way more than 99 and below. I dont think AQ or AK folds in his range vs ur stack so ur racing a good % of the time though. I dont know to be honest each option seems pretty damn close. Maybe too much of a guessing game just fold and move on?
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  3. wandigo wandigo is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 4:51pm) in reply to melbournejoe

    stein has the nuts here 99.9999999% of the time
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  4. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 4:52pm) in reply to wandigo

     
    Originally Posted by wandigo View Post

    stein has the nuts here 99.9999999% of the time

    unfair that u know how he plays :( i have no exp w/ him
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  5. SofaKingCewl SofaKingCewl is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 4:55pm) in reply to wandigo

    Do you even have the correct implied odds to flat the original raiser?
    As played..., shove or fold. Since he's been pretty active i think a shove isn't too bad since you'll be racing a good percentage of the time and if he's indeed squeezing with trash he still has room to fold. It's probably pretty close either way, unless you have a pretty good read he's capable of making a loose squeeze i'm leaning towards a fold.
  6. BrokenTPot BrokenTPot is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 5:21pm) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    Foldasaurusrex. Just fold.
     
  7. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 5:35pm) in reply to melbournejoe

    this is definitely a gross spot...and his 3 bet size is the most disgusting of all. thestein isn't too crazy from my limited experience with him, but idk. folding here seems super weak...but shoving seems spewy vs the stein.

    i probably fold if i'm playing well that day...or shove if i'm tilting that day

    i don't really fault you for doing either thing in the spur of the moment though
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  8. RiverRejas RiverRejas is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 5:37pm) in reply to Gags30

    Just give him some respect and fold. He had JJ btw...
  9. AJKHoosier1 AJKHoosier1 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 5:37pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    this is definitely a gross spot...and his 3 bet size is the most disgusting of all. thestein isn't too crazy from my limited experience with him, but idk. folding here seems super weak...but shoving seems spewy vs the stein.

    i probably fold if i'm playing well that day...or shove if i'm tilting that day

    i don't really fault you for doing either thing in the spur of the moment though

    this exactly
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  10. wandigo wandigo is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 5:45pm) in reply to melbournejoe

    It's a rough spot for those that don't know stein, which is what allows him to chip up so easily.
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  11. BerkeleyBoss BerkeleyBoss is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 6:30pm) in reply to SofaKingCewl

     
    Originally Posted by SofaKingCewl View Post

    Do you even have the correct implied odds to flat the original raiser?

    lol @ needing im<title>Enter text here.</title>plied odds
     
  12. stpauli111 stpauli111 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 7:04pm) in reply to BerkeleyBoss

    folding is definitely the better play on paper but a lot of it has to do with table feel and momentum and such, id shove if i was really feeling it (or if i was pretty tilted, but then i prob would just 3b/get it in vs the original raiser.)

    stein is super tricky and while i think this raise sizing is pretty strong myself, he's a good enough player to mix it up and make strong looking raises with weak hands.
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  13. xxjondxx xxjondxx is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2008 (11/15/2008 7:27pm) in reply to melbournejoe

    thestein plays weird.
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