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The hardest hand to play pre flop

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  1. joepups joepups is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:12am)

    QJ os

    I always hit an over card to it like this guy did, thats why i would fold this pre, any thohghts on how to play qJ pre flop, one i realy have trouble with still, so i fold it lots

    fold to any over card if one of your 2 hits flop? I hate this hand

    flame away

    pokerstars Game #46571528568: Tournament #319011055, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2010/07/09 21:06:51 MT [2010/07/09 23:06:51 ET]
    Table '319011055 28' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: olehadash (2224 in chips)
    Seat 2: zz_Myxa_zz (14147 in chips)
    Seat 3: JoePups (23850 in chips)
    Seat 4: Caleno09 (2825 in chips)
    Seat 5: andrewnot (6312 in chips)
    Seat 6: LilBoss2 (19563 in chips)
    Seat 7: arkrud (6560 in chips)
    Seat 8: zman245 (13844 in chips)
    Seat 9: 1tamarack1 (12529 in chips)
    olehadash: posts the ante 25
    zz_Myxa_zz: posts the ante 25
    JoePups: posts the ante 25
    Caleno09: posts the ante 25
    andrewnot: posts the ante 25
    LilBoss2: posts the ante 25
    arkrud: posts the ante 25
    zman245: posts the ante 25
    1tamarack1: posts the ante 25
    1tamarack1: posts small blind 100
    olehadash: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JoePups [Kc Qc]
    zz_Myxa_zz: raises 300 to 500
    JoePups: calls 500
    Caleno09: folds
    andrewnot: folds
    LilBoss2: folds
    arkrud: folds
    zman245: folds
    1tamarack1: folds
    olehadash: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3c Qs 6c]
    zz_Myxa_zz: bets 787
    JoePups: calls 787
    *** TURN *** [3c Qs 6c] [Ah]
    zz_Myxa_zz: checks
    JoePups: checks
    *** RIVER *** [3c Qs 6c Ah] [7s]
    zz_Myxa_zz: bets 1212
    JoePups: calls 1212
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    zz_Myxa_zz: shows [Qd Jh] (a pair of Queens)
    JoePups: shows [Kc Qc] (a pair of Queens - Ace+King kicker)
    JoePups collected 5523 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5523 | Rake 0
    Board [3c Qs 6c Ah 7s]
    Seat 1: olehadash (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: zz_Myxa_zz showed [Qd Jh] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 3: JoePups showed [Kc Qc] and won (5523) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 4: Caleno09 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: andrewnot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: LilBoss2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: arkrud folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: zman245 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: 1tamarack1 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Edited By: joepups Jul 10th, 2010 at 04:17 AM
  2. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:20am) in reply to joepups

    totally depends on your position, stacks, previouse action, structure... if your having huge problems that u can't fix fold it till you can
     
  3. Arobinson11 Arobinson11 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:32am) in reply to dgillis

    raise flop
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  4. joepups joepups is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:37am) in reply to Arobinson11

    yes thats right, raise flop when a q or jack pairs and he calls and i re min raise and he calls and then shows me k or a kicker,,

    this is my nightmare
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  5. CrankFueled CrankFueled is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 5:16am) in reply to joepups

    You can afford to fold it or at least try to keep the pot small on a Q high or a J high board.... But it will depend on the situation/villain/etc. I personally play it rarely early on obvi. It's so often dominated by other hands that it's dangerous but it's situational like everything in teh pkarz.
  6. JoeDeertay JoeDeertay is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:47pm) in reply to CrankFueled

    I'll probably open most broadway hands from any position by this level, but flatting them is COMPLETELY different and situational, esp OOP.
     
  7. SigmaBetaRho SigmaBetaRho is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 6:42pm) in reply to JoeDeertay

    i would just fold it pre if ur so worried about it......there are pros out there that stay away from certain hands so its not uncommon
  8. rayfox111 rayfox111 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 7:28pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    Your going to be dominated too often if 1or 2 come along for the ride, its a hand that will win you small pots, and loses you the big ones.
    Give it a miss, most of the time.
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