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  1. polyballer22 polyballer22 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:08pm)

    Ok so this is like the 3rd hand at the table. Clearly don't know how the guy plays but he has decent stats but a tiny sample size. I really had a hard time finding his range there. Any help is appreciated. oh man the hands you see when you play alllll day. lol

    pokerstars Game #30233224355: Tournament #176962350, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/07/08 10:02:39 PT [2009/07/08 13:02:39 ET]
    Table '176962350 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: PolyBaller22 (3000 in chips)
    Seat 2: justfold16 (3460 in chips)
    Seat 4: virage-sud13 (2915 in chips)
    Seat 5: dontphil2bad (2980 in chips)
    Seat 6: magic032 (3000 in chips)
    Seat 7: Maxelinho69 (3305 in chips)
    Seat 8: mddgfc (2980 in chips)
    Seat 9: UwhatUwhat (2360 in chips)
    dontphil2bad: posts small blind 10
    magic032: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to PolyBaller22 [Ah Qh]
    Maxelinho69: folds
    mddgfc: folds
    UwhatUwhat: raises 60 to 80
    PolyBaller22: calls 80
    justfold16: folds
    virage-sud13: folds
    dontphil2bad: calls 70
    magic032: folds
    *** FLOP *** [4h Qd 8h]
    dontphil2bad: checks
    UwhatUwhat: checks
    PolyBaller22: bets 140
    dontphil2bad: calls 140
    UwhatUwhat: folds
    *** TURN *** [4h Qd 8h] [Qc]
    dontphil2bad: checks
    PolyBaller22: bets 360
    dontphil2bad: calls 360
    *** RIVER *** [4h Qd 8h Qc] [Jh]
    dontphil2bad: bets 2400 and is all-in
    PolyBaller22: ??
     
  2. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:14pm) in reply to polyballer22

    Obviously you'd have a clearer picture if you raised turn, or flop for that matter, but I usually flat flop too, but you already knew that. I understand you not raising though because your hand is SO STRONG. Even so, I don't think I'm folding here against someone I don't know. Yes, it could be an overshove with 88, 44, or JJ hoping that you just made a flush or will call with a queen. Way too many hands we beat here to fold against a relative unknown IMO
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  3. mapunk mapunk is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:15pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

     
    Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76 View Post

    Obviously you'd have a clearer picture if you raised turn, or flop for that matter, but I usually flat flop too, but you already knew that. I understand you not raising though because your hand is SO STRONG. Even so, I don't think I'm folding here against someone I don't know. Yes, it could be an overshove with 88, 44, or JJ hoping that you just made a flush or will call with a queen. Way too many hands we beat here to fold against a relative unknown IMO

    Re-read OP. Poly was betting flop and turn. Villain was check/calling
     
  4. Smokin Zags Smokin Zags is offline 2010 CA Amateur Golf Champion

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:15pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

     
    Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76 View Post

    Obviously you'd have a clearer picture if you raised turn, or flop for that matter, but I usually flat flop too, but you already knew that. I understand you not raising though because your hand is SO STRONG. Even so, I don't think I'm folding here against someone I don't know. Yes, it could be an overshove with 88, 44, or JJ hoping that you just made a flush or will call with a queen. Way too many hands we beat here to fold against a relative unknown IMO

    umm, lol?
     
  5. Crazyhorse76 Crazyhorse76 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:17pm) in reply to Smokin Zags

     
    Originally Posted by Smokin Zags View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76 View Post

    Obviously you'd have a clearer picture if you raised turn, or flop for that matter, but I usually flat flop too, but you already knew that. I understand you not raising though because your hand is SO STRONG. Even so, I don't think I'm folding here against someone I don't know. Yes, it could be an overshove with 88, 44, or JJ hoping that you just made a flush or will call with a queen. Way too many hands we beat here to fold against a relative unknown IMO

    umm, lol?

    Christ I need some sleep!!! Gonna do just that. Call I guess
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  6. swright10 swright10 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:23pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    Really shitty spot but I don't see you beating anything but kq at this point.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:42pm) in reply to swright10

    Also, let us know how that full day goes. I opened a business 3 years ago and had to almost stop playing all together (although I go on binges causing me to really neglect my business from time to time) so gl with that and interested to your big day goes.
  8. firaldo firaldo is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:47pm) in reply to polyballer22

    op has the nut flush....

    there are deffffff worse flushes in his range.

    Im not folding
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  9. swright10 swright10 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 1:51pm) in reply to firaldo

    Oh wow I completely missed op had flush draw. No way I'm folding this although his bet to me screams I know you have a monster pay me off, lol.
  10. polyballer22 polyballer22 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 2:11pm) in reply to polyballer22

    Ya throughout the whole hand i figured i was gonna double through him or at least win a big pot, but his check calling all the way down with just an open shoved screams way more that he flopped a set or rivered me with QJ. I just found this to be an interesting spot. Any more opinions out there?
     
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 2:16pm) in reply to polyballer22

    Him check calling seems like he was drawing to a worse flush. A set is raising the turn a lot, and bigger queens should be raising to protect their hand at some point I would think. It really looks like he thinks you have a queen (which you do, but with a flush draw also), and he wants to stack you on the river with a made flush. Snap call all day.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 3:27pm) in reply to bluffslv

    The check calling looks to me as a draw of some sort. I figure either flush, got really lucky and hit the gut shot calling down with 9-10 or its a complete bluff. With just reading this post I am 95% folding on the river. I cant beat much but a bluff. If he shows me a bluff good for him but I gotta muck my hand here. Plz show results. I am really leaning toward a straight.
  13. BgsaPnaples BgsaPnaples is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 3:28pm) in reply to bluffslv

    only two hands that make sense here that have you beat would be QJ/JJ, most likely JJ, but I think he shows up with enough worse flushes to call.
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  14. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 4:15pm) in reply to BgsaPnaples

    Agree with this.
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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 4:17pm) in reply to Diggs

    ul that he had 88
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  16. Micdiddy Micdiddy is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 4:26pm) in reply to bluffslv

    Uhm insta-call and high five monitor, imo.

    You also have to consider the fact that it is very hard for him to have the case Q here, so a majority of his full-house come from a pocket pair. Is he really check/calling a set on the flop? I doubt it, but he could sure check/call a heart draw.

    Maybe he is a complete donk and shows up with JJ here, but still you abolutely crush his range. Call all day everyday, imo.
  17. thedylan thedylan is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 4:30pm) in reply to polyballer22

    im not folding here, i think lower flushes are easily in his range here
     
  18. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2009 (7/8/2009 4:36pm) in reply to thedylan

    doubt you're ahead, doubt i ever fold.
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