Ok - Not sure if any of you have heard of the CardRunners promotion they where having. All the members would play in a free roll tourney and top 4 would get to chose a CR pro (GREEN PLASTIC, MUDDYWATTER, JSUP, or FILTHYWATYER) and recieve 50% of their winnings for the night.

I fortunately won the tournament and am stuck with a decision...

I obviously can pick any one of the pros (GREEN PLASTIC obviously) or can choose to split 25% of all the4 pro's winnings.....

The thing with me is - GP could have a HUGE night (20K) or he could have a losing session, meaning I would be just refunded my CR membership of $200

I have the option of chopping it 4 ways or even 2 ways with the person who got 2nd place...

What I have in mind right now is 50% of GP's and JSups winnings.... (muddywatter is killing me)

Please let me know what you guys would do - more prefrably from the ranked players that play with these guys...

Thanks - I will have some time to think about this....

There is really only one decision. No offense to the other guys but take 50% of GP. If he has a minimal winning night at the levels that he plays, it will be more than you would get from the other guy's having a good night.

Good Luck.

is there a specific amt of time minimum or maximum he is going to play for??

cause I mean I would def pick GP but I would want him to be playing like 6 straight hours at 50/100 lol.

Not saying this to convince Moose--he's already heard it--but just want to throw this out there for everyone's consideration.

I played this tournament like a sat instead of a normal tournament, because as far as I was concerned, top four places were pretty equal. GP, jsup, muddywater, and filthy--we're talking about four top players here. So would you rather have 100% of Phil Ivey in the WSOP, or would you take 25% of Ivey, Harrington, Brunson, and Chan? For me, it's a no brainer--you reduce your varience and take pieces of all four. I said all along that whatever place I finished, I thought it made sense for the final four to each take 25% of each pro.

All four pros will be motivated to put in their best performance and hopefully will do well, but when you're talking about poker, anyone can have a losing session. Sure, GP plays the highest limits so he certainly has the greatest moneymaking potential, but like all great players, he's not going to win everyday. He plays an extremely high varience style at 50/100 and up. He can lose 10k in a night just as easily as he can win 30k.

If you really want to gamble and don't care about the money, I can see going with just GP for that possibility of a huge night, but you're turning down a sure thing for that chance of greater return. If everyone takes a piece of all four, everyone is practically guaranteed to make some good money on this. Just my thoughts.

Thanks so much to Cardrunners for running this promotion, by the way. It was unique and a lot of fun. Great site if you're serious about improving your game.

Moose,

It seems there was a little confusion about what the prize of this freeroll was. Every member who joined CardRunners during the first month was eligible for a spot in this freeroll. The winner of the freeroll gets to pick one pro to get 50% of his winnings for one day. The runner-up gets to choose from the other available players, and so on.

You can NOT choose 25% of all four players, this doesn't add up to the same as 50% of one player and was not part of the original promotion. Sorry about the confusion.

For what it's worth, here is what i would consider if i was in your spot. I would choose between myself and Andrew. My logic follows...

depends on what you prefer - Andrew multitables 5/10 and 10/25nl, has very few losing days because he plays 4-6 tables at a time. Probably has an expected value of around 1-1.5k.

i play 1-3 tables of 25-50nl or 50-100nl. my games are almost always short handed and are usually against pretty stiff competition. i have winning days about 70% of the time, with EV being around 3.5k.

i'd be interested to see what everyone else out there would choose...thoughts?

Thanks to everyone who has participated in this promotion. We are going to run a new promotion in a few weeks so stay tuned (biggest self promotion ever).

tc

Easy choice.

Hand #10130276-492 at Sussex (No Limit Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 08/Dec/05 11:46:00

PhilHellmuth is at seat 0 with $4496.
nojja is at seat 1 with $20000 (sitting out).
Green Plastic is at seat 5 with $26090.50.
mungle is at seat 6 with $32389.50.
The button is at seat 5.

mungle posts the small blind of $100.
PhilHellmuth posts the big blind of $200.

PhilHellmuth: -- --
Green Plastic: -- --
mungle: -- --

Pre-flop:

Green Plastic raises to $700. mungle re-raises to
$2300. PhilHellmuth folds. Green Plastic calls.

Flop (board: 7s 7h Js):

mungle bets $3000. Green Plastic calls.

Turn (board: 7s 7h Js 9c):

mungle bets $7500. Green Plastic calls.

River (board: 7s 7h Js 9c Qc):

mungle goes all-in for $19589.50. Green Plastic goes
all-in for $13290.50. mungle is returned $6299
(uncalled).

Showdown:

mungle shows Ad 7d.
mungle has Ad 7d 7s 7h Qc: three sevens.
Green Plastic shows Jh Jd.
Green Plastic has Jh Jd 7s 7h Js: full house, jacks full of sevens.

Hand #10130276-492 Summary:

$1 is raked from a pot of $52381.
Green Plastic wins $52380 with full house, jacks full of sevens.

Exactly. I would much rather take a risk at making 10k than going for a safe 1k. Not saying that Muddy can only make 1k a day because I am sure there are days where he makes a lot more than that. After all you did win this on a freeroll. I would go for the most even if it involves the most risk.

rjup...i don't think 70% is a great risk...GP hands down

I think that GP is awesome but Muddywater is just so consistent. He isn't as flashy as GP because he isnt taking down 50k pots but he is consistent. I never seem him down money at a table.

Swapping percentages/pooling is still an option, mentioned (even encouraged a little) by muddywater on the CR boards. I think GP was concerned that there was confusion about how much of each pro we got--he saw 100% and 25% each and was thinking, no you each only get 50% of the pro's action, 25 times 4 is 100% not 50%, and so forth. Really just a misunderstanding--if we each take 25% of the four pros, we're each getting 12.5% of each of the pros' action.

GP > Mahatma

I'd take GP no question, you have a chance for a huge win, and as he said, he has a winning session 70% of the time

If I was a low limit player, I would definitely do a pooling of some sort. As GP said, he probably only wins 60% of his sessions. He just wins more when he wins opposed to when he loses. I would say that normally I'd be a very good bet. I was had a very good, prolonged run. However, the last week has been awful for me. I hit a wall. I guess it was going to happen sooner or later. Nothing huge, it's just I'm having trouble pulling out the wins for the last week. Another thing to consider is that jsup is HOT. He is making 18 final tables a day. Phil is also VERY underrated. He had wanted to keep his UB name secret, but he changed his mind. He plays under Plush Luxy on UB. If you watch the higher stakes games, I'm sure you've seen him tear it up sometime in the last month or so since he got on UB. The truth is that someone very well might go home with nothing if there is no pooling, but that definitely will not be the case if you do pool. How much do you want to gamble???

Andrew