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Full Tilt Poker Game #17321827241: The Sunday Mulligan (125801666), Table 29 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:12:55 ET - 2010/01/04
Seat 3: drlove527 (112,671)
Seat 4: The-Toilet 0 (297,034)
Seat 5: fishzo (259,527)
Seat 6: pbdrunks (171,598)
Seat 7: TMoney209 (72,221)
Seat 8: IHAVEUBEAT (93,990)
Seat 9: 4everunkown (328,569)
drlove527 antes 500
The-Toilet 0 antes 500
fishzo antes 500
pbdrunks antes 500
TMoney209 antes 500
IHAVEUBEAT antes 500
4everunkown antes 500
The-Toilet 0 posts the small blind of 2,000
fishzo posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 4everunkown [4h 3h]
pbdrunks folds
TMoney209 folds
IHAVEUBEAT folds
4everunkown raises to 9,150
drlove527 has 15 seconds left to act
drlove527 folds
The-Toilet 0 has 15 seconds left to act
The-Toilet 0 calls 7,150
fishzo folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 5d 5s]
The-Toilet 0 checks
DonkCommited (Observer): pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown bets 7,450
The-Toilet 0 has 15 seconds left to act
The-Toilet 0 raises to 18,280
4everunkown calls 10,830
*** TURN *** [Th 5d 5s] [9d]
The-Toilet 0 bets 4,000
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown raises to 39,050
The-Toilet 0 calls 35,050
*** RIVER *** [Th 5d 5s 9d] [As]
The-Toilet 0 checks
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown bets 230,250
The-Toilet 0 has 15 seconds left to act
The-Toilet 0 has requested TIME
4everunkown: will u fold a 5
The-Toilet 0 calls 230,054, and is all in
Uncalled bet of 196 returned to 4everunkown
*** SHOW DOWN ***
4everunkown shows [4h 3h] a pair of Fives
The-Toilet 0 shows [9s 7s] two pair, Nines and Fives
The-Toilet 0 wins the pot (600,568) with two pair, Nines and Fives
The blinds are now 2,500/5,000 with an ante of 600
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600,568 | Rake 0
Board: [Th 5d 5s 9d As]
Seat 3: drlove527 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: The-Toilet 0 (small blind) showed [9s 7s] and won (600,568) with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 5: fishzo (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: pbdrunks folded before the Flop
Seat 7: TMoney209 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: IHAVEUBEAT folded before the Flop
Seat 9: 4everunkown showed [4h 3h] and lost with a pair of Fives -
if you don't say will you fold a 5 he might fold there
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If the A doesn't come on the river you might get away with it...because really ur line is total air and then ur obv not shoving the river with JJ-KK, anything but AT, 5x. So yeah, if river was a deuce then maybe, and I dunno what the metagame was with the chat.
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ill add my two cents,
the small bet size on the flop, followed by just a call can be interpreted as being very strong (having the five) but most likely youre not holding a T here...
the turn gives him what in his mind is currently the best hand.... and your huge reraise is being interpreted as you trying to get him off his hand, and based on the flop play lets assume he know u dont hold a T....
A comes on the river and agains a good plkayer like the Toilet you overshove looks like a bluff more than anything else. Remember he is putting you on air, and i dont think you would shove the river if u had hit the Ace..
prolly works for a nonreg who is playing scared but in this occasion you were outplayed -
turn raise looks a little spewy
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It's really no big deal, because when I spew I try and spew into The Toilet aswell!
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by the turn you pretty much have to have trips/boat the way you played it, or else it's total air. I suppose JJ-AA could be in your range on the turn but again if you were aggro he's prolly discounting those hands.
Come the river you're not shoving AK or something like JJ-KK. He's basically putting you on AA, A5, possibly AT?, 5x, TT, rarely ever 99 so we can kinda discount that, or complete air (this i believe will be the majority of your range). seems like he's c/c river if he called the raise on the turn, i guess the A could change things a bit but most likely not. Add the fact you're someone who he perceives is able to run a big bluff here he could/will c/c lite.
sick call toilet -
Sure looks like big time FPS on both of your parts. If this was the 100r, 200r or 1K I think it would be more understandable that you were scrapping in a spot to get chips. But this is a Sunday major and you are picking a leveling battle with a top-100 player in the world at 70bbs effective. This particular table is beastly but the SM is filled with players that will be more than willing to spew chips to you. Isn't that worth considering before you tangle with toilet here beyond an open and a c-bet?
The line and result are irrelevant to me. It shows me you had a good grasp on toilet's range but he had just as good a grasp on spots where you can, and do, show up with air. It isn't surprising. You are both world class players. I understand the how and what, I just don't understand the why.
Oh and post more, please. -
You guys do realize that they play a lot different against randoms? and that you play this game because u only do this type of stuff once in a great while against people who might have notes on you?
On another note, this forum is tilting me. -
I'm not going to say yes he folds because toilet (and rock) are on a whole different level. He still may be more than capable of picking this off, but that line/bet makes much more sense. crazy fkn hand tho lol.
Originally Posted by pbdrunks
Do you think he would fold to a smaller bet maybe? Say in the 80-90k range.
edit: and no way i am saying a single word in the chat while this is going on. i honestly think that comment hurt you more than you realize. -
Man, I mean the more I look at this hand the more I realize how insanely sick you both are. I mean clearly he was weak so you had the right read, and some fucking how he knew you had absolutely nothing.
Is a hand/bluff/sick call like this common?
I mean I don't think I would ever attempt such a large bluff, and I'm never confident enough in my reads to make a sick call like this.
Are plays like this in the arsenal of all top players, or is this more like a one in a million hand?
Rock, any chance you want to break this down like the hadn vs Kanter with the 88 (I think), which by the way was a sick calldown by you as well. -
3bet the flop to 48k and fold if hes sick enough 4bet? obv calling the river is gross enough. i think rep a strong hand after raising pf makes more sense.
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are you thinking this comment completely thru?
prob not.
If he is calling on the flop wtf do you think he is going to do on the turn? was his call on the flop hoping to connect his under cards? I am in noway saying he was spewing at any point in this hand I just think the quoted comment is not thought thru very well.
I understand rock's line but i think he got ahead of himself on the river. The River A was a line killer bc it shrinks his value range up too much. It pretty much turns his range into AA 1010 rarely 99 and sometimes a random 5x hand but mostly just air.
I think jpegg and a couple others are just comepletely out of league with comments that they made.
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good players are good at sniffing out bluffs in spots like this
sick bluff by rock, sicker sniffout by toilet
its only spew if villian is insanely good enough to herocall any pair on the river for a ridiculously unnecessary amount of chips with a good stack
so.........its spew imo -
ez jam on the flop
Originally Posted by rock3656
Full Tilt Poker Game #17321827241: The Sunday Mulligan (125801666), Table 29 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:12:55 ET - 2010/01/04
Seat 3: drlove527 (112,671)
Seat 4: The-Toilet 0 (297,034)
Seat 5: fishzo (259,527)
Seat 6: pbdrunks (171,598)
Seat 7: TMoney209 (72,221)
Seat 8: IHAVEUBEAT (93,990)
Seat 9: 4everunkown (328,569)
The-Toilet 0 posts the small blind of 2,000
fishzo posts the big blind of 4,000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 4everunkown [4h 3h]
pbdrunks folds
TMoney209 folds
IHAVEUBEAT folds
4everunkown raises to 9,150
The-Toilet 0 calls 7,150
fishzo folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 5d 5s]
The-Toilet 0 checks
4everunkown bets 7,450
The-Toilet 0 raises to 18,280
4everunkown calls 10,830
*** TURN *** [Th 5d 5s] [9d]
The-Toilet 0 bets 4,000
4everunkown raises to 39,050
The-Toilet 0 calls 35,050
*** RIVER *** [Th 5d 5s 9d] [As]
The-Toilet 0 checks
4everunkown bets 230,250
4everunkown: will u fold a 5
The-Toilet 0 calls 230,054, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
4everunkown shows [4h 3h] a pair of Fives
The-Toilet 0 shows [9s 7s] two pair, Nines and Fives
The-Toilet 0 wins the pot (600,568) with two pair, Nines and Fives
the 2.5x cbet ckraise is the new button raise -
God you guys are just sick.
Originally Posted by rock3656
Full Tilt Poker Game #17321827241: The Sunday Mulligan (125801666), Table 29 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:12:55 ET - 2010/01/04
Seat 3: drlove527 (112,671)
Seat 4: The-Toilet 0 (297,034)
Seat 5: fishzo (259,527)
Seat 6: pbdrunks (171,598)
Seat 7: TMoney209 (72,221)
Seat 8: IHAVEUBEAT (93,990)
Seat 9: 4everunkown (328,569)
drlove527 antes 500
The-Toilet 0 antes 500
fishzo antes 500
pbdrunks antes 500
TMoney209 antes 500
IHAVEUBEAT antes 500
4everunkown antes 500
The-Toilet 0 posts the small blind of 2,000
fishzo posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 4everunkown [4h 3h]
pbdrunks folds
TMoney209 folds
IHAVEUBEAT folds
4everunkown raises to 9,150
drlove527 has 15 seconds left to act
drlove527 folds
The-Toilet 0 has 15 seconds left to act
The-Toilet 0 calls 7,150
fishzo folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 5d 5s]
The-Toilet 0 checks
DonkCommited (Observer): pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown bets 7,450
The-Toilet 0 has 15 seconds left to act
The-Toilet 0 raises to 18,280
4everunkown calls 10,830
*** TURN *** [Th 5d 5s] [9d]
The-Toilet 0 bets 4,000
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown raises to 39,050
The-Toilet 0 calls 35,050
*** RIVER *** [Th 5d 5s 9d] [As]
The-Toilet 0 checks
4everunkown has 15 seconds left to act
4everunkown bets 230,250
The-Toilet 0 has 15 seconds left to act
The-Toilet 0 has requested TIME
4everunkown: will u fold a 5
The-Toilet 0 calls 230,054, and is all in
Uncalled bet of 196 returned to 4everunkown
*** SHOW DOWN ***
4everunkown shows [4h 3h] a pair of Fives
The-Toilet 0 shows [9s 7s] two pair, Nines and Fives
The-Toilet 0 wins the pot (600,568) with two pair, Nines and Fives
The blinds are now 2,500/5,000 with an ante of 600
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600,568 | Rake 0
Board: [Th 5d 5s 9d As]
Seat 3: drlove527 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: The-Toilet 0 (small blind) showed [9s 7s] and won (600,568) with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 5: fishzo (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: pbdrunks folded before the Flop
Seat 7: TMoney209 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: IHAVEUBEAT folded before the Flop
Seat 9: 4everunkown showed [4h 3h] and lost with a pair of Fives
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