This seems like an open shove to me.

looks like we want to get it in here

I think this is close but probably a profitable shove. I mean it just sucks when we get called and are dominated but the remaining players calling ranges are going to be presumably very tight on the FT bubble. If someone did the math my guess is it would be profitable.

 

Originally Posted by witcher1984

its a shove and it is really not even close.... who folds ne ways..

Yeah I mean at worst you run into AA and are crushed...otherwise u have tons of suckout equity with the online RNG.

k9 might be a shove. kj certainly is

 

Originally Posted by charder

what is the point of your pokerstove. It literally means nothing.

lol. i can't even figure out where he got that range from. it's clearly not a calling range...is he saying it's a jamming range?

 

Originally Posted by rebelfd

Suited I'm shoving, KJo fold.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,917,722,624 games 13.549 secs 436,764,530 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.235% 44.81% 02.42% 2624308101 141801870.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 52.765% 50.34% 02.42% 2948167839 141801870.00 { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

poty

 

Originally Posted by rebelfd

Suited I'm shoving, KJo fold.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,917,722,624 games 13.549 secs 436,764,530 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.235% 44.81% 02.42% 2624308101 141801870.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 52.765% 50.34% 02.42% 2948167839 141801870.00 { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

probably a prime example of why there needs to be a high stakes forum (not that I'd be posting in it, but you nawmsayin

villain had ako iirc but ya good shove

 

Originally Posted by rebelfd

Before you shove KJo 1 table before the FT bubble aren't you thinking of your opponents calling ranges? You think pockets opponents will call lighter then the range I assigned them? By everyone's reactions I guess I did it wrong, rather than flame me someone want to show us how to range your opponents and decide if KJo utg is a profitable shove. I don't think it is, but some do. Just looking statistically for someone to b/u there assumption that a shove is good. btw I got goals too, so I'll get to HSmtts one day and all you flamers are now on my slowroll list!!

That calling range is waaaaaay too wide. Given stack sizes and the money at stake i'd say a more reasonable range would be { TT+, AQo+,AQs+ maybe KQs }

which gives us

883,548,864 games 0.717 secs 1,232,285,723 games/sec

Board:

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 26.846% 26.29% 00.55% 232312380 4883466.00 { KJo }

Hand 1: 73.154% 72.60% 00.55% 641469552 4883466.00 { TT+, AQs+, KQs, AKo }

odds of 1 player having any of those hands are 4.1 % , so the odds on out of 5 opponents on a 6 max table has one of

those hands is roughly 5 * 4.1 % (obviously this is not entirely correct given u have a K and a J already etc ...)

But for the sake of argument that equates to 20.5 %

So effectively versus this calling range that is a push

However when we give them a wider range like this :

1,438,335,360 games 1.057 secs 1,360,771,390 games/sec

Board:

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 31.681% 31.23% 00.45% 449262732 6422754.00 { KJo }

Hand 1: 68.319% 67.87% 00.45% 976227120 6422754.00 { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }

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which has rougly a 30.6 % chance that any other player holds one of those hands your edge becomes virtually 0 , and

then taking in consideration the monetary issues its probably better to fold.

So in other words this is a very close call, and your calling range is just ludicrous. Not taking into account the times you

suck out.

dude...you're really good at the pokers...why shove this semi-marg hand? rape in position...

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

 

Originally Posted by nw25th

dude...you're really good at the pokers...why shove this semi-marg hand? rape in position...

hard to "rape" in position when you're essentially push/fold

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

hard to "rape" in position when you're essentially push/fold

yes yes...this is the easiest button shove ever...but UTG grrr brrr eh...meh....in that zone that sucks...anything that calls you is troublesome with 5 behind...

Raise to $38K-$42K not an option?

 

Originally Posted by Damage1

 

Originally Posted by rebelfd

Before you shove KJo 1 table before the FT bubble aren't you thinking of your opponents calling ranges? You think pockets opponents will call lighter then the range I assigned them? By everyone's reactions I guess I did it wrong, rather than flame me someone want to show us how to range your opponents and decide if KJo utg is a profitable shove. I don't think it is, but some do. Just looking statistically for someone to b/u there assumption that a shove is good. btw I got goals too, so I'll get to HSmtts one day and all you flamers are now on my slowroll list!!

just give up

give up?
is he ever getting called by worse there?
plz explain how its profitable

 

Originally Posted by lockdownpokah

give up?
is he ever getting called by worse there?
plz explain how its profitable

i assume your joking? whether a shove is profitable or not has nothing to do with whether or not your called by worse. ducy?

well not nothing, but the range you are called by is one of many factors.