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Hmm maybe I over estimate what my opponents have?

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  1. akusokuzan akusokuzan is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2006 (7/24/2006 10:12pm)

    So far everyone has been pretty conservative, 9 players still at a 25/50 level on stars turbo.. dont see that often. Board has one over plus 4 to flush. Second pair on board wins, I have 99. Advice, I think i made the correct laydown but advice would be nice.

    pokerstars Game #5671326379: Tournament #28696059, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/24 - 22:07:21 (ET)
    Table '28696059 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: oneijak (1310 in chips)
    Seat 2: manguydude21 (2205 in chips)
    Seat 3: nootje (1410 in chips)
    Seat 4: MadSpartan (1065 in chips)
    Seat 5: kunhal (1370 in chips)
    Seat 6: RapidCitySD (1515 in chips)
    Seat 7: AJ not OJ (1520 in chips)
    Seat 8: sg124718 (1415 in chips)
    Seat 9: oodawg (1690 in chips)
    sg124718: posts small blind 25
    oodawg: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to kunhal [9d 9s]
    oneijak: folds
    manguydude21: folds
    nootje: folds
    MadSpartan: folds
    kunhal: raises 100 to 150
    RapidCitySD: calls 150
    AJ not OJ: calls 150
    sg124718: folds
    oodawg: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 8d 4c]
    kunhal: checks
    RapidCitySD: bets 200
    AJ not OJ: calls 200
    kunhal: folds
    *** TURN *** [Qc 8d 4c] [3c]
    RapidCitySD: checks
    AJ not OJ: bets 250
    RapidCitySD: calls 250
    *** RIVER *** [Qc 8d 4c 3c] [4h]
    RapidCitySD: bets 915 and is all-in
    AJ not OJ: calls 915
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    RapidCitySD: shows [Ac Ts] (a pair of Fours)
    AJ not OJ: shows [Ah 8s] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
    AJ not OJ collected 3255 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3255 | Rake 0
    Board [Qc 8d 4c 3c 4h]
    Seat 1: oneijak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: manguydude21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: nootje folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: MadSpartan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: kunhal folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: RapidCitySD showed [Ac Ts] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 7: AJ not OJ (button) showed [Ah 8s] and won (3255) with two pair, Eights and Fours
    Seat 8: sg124718 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: oodawg (big blind) folded before Flop
  2. Zelk Zelk is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2006 (7/24/2006 10:22pm) in reply to akusokuzan

    You and me both. I fold top pair with an 8 kicker after two people went all in before I acted. Wouldn't ya know it, I had the best hand. I also wonder who RapidCitySD is? Since I am also from S.D.
  3. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jul 25th, 2006 (7/25/2006 11:32am) in reply to akusokuzan

    Sometimes you lay down the best hand. Don't sweat it. I wouldn't have pictured my 99 was good here either.
     
  4. GetRich GetRich is offline

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    Jul 25th, 2006 (7/25/2006 12:36pm) in reply to grapsfan

    determining the value of your hand is one of the hardest parts of post-flop play.
  5. Games Geek Games Geek is offline

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    Jul 25th, 2006 (7/25/2006 2:43pm) in reply to akusokuzan

    Definitely don't like a check/fold on that flop. What are you afraid of? AQ or JJ-AA probably reraises you, so that leaves 44, 88, TT, QJ and QK as the only likely hands at this point. Not a <span>lot</span> to be afraid of. I would bet/raise hard to get rid of clubs or straight draws.

    I might even check-raise All-In here, hoping to get called by a desperate flush draw.
  6. Syntec87 Syntec87 is offline

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    Jul 25th, 2006 (7/25/2006 4:16pm) in reply to Games Geek

    I totally disagree. This is a terrible situation. Its either WAY behind, such as when they have TP, and KQ/AQ/QJs are all reasonable calls for a 3BB raise early in the action, or BEST case scenario its only SLIGHTLY ahead. Flush draw and 2 overs is even money. Flush draw and one over is only slightly behind. I just like calling 99 preflop that early in tourney since its hard to proceed with middle pp after the flop unless you hit your set, look for big edges early, like when you do hit a set, or have AA-QQ, and push small edges with fold equity late. Your laydown here is fine, b/c either they have you beat, or they play so badly that the winner will donk off his chips to you in no time.
  7. Games Geek Games Geek is offline

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    Jul 25th, 2006 (7/25/2006 4:26pm) in reply to Syntec87

    None of what you said advocates a check into that flop though. It doesn't make sense not to find out where you're at with a strong lead.

    At least, not in my opinion. I don't play a waiting game.

    You're right that QK, AQ and QJ are all reasonable hands for them to be holding (as I said myself), but that's only three hands out of a how many possible holdings?
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