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  1. agriffrod agriffrod is offline 2010 WSOP #3 FT

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:18pm)

    What's your play on the river?
    How was my line up to that point?

    pokerstars Game #13950898307: Tournament #70227437 $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/18 - 20:04:00 (ET)
    Table '70227437 21' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: charder30 (2780 in chips)
    Seat 2: IMFNTERRIBLE (3150 in chips)
    Seat 3: agriffrod (2610 in chips)
    Seat 4: pairDboard21 (3170 in chips)
    Seat 5: wijken (3660 in chips)
    Seat 6: rymaster (2950 in chips)
    Seat 7: dblgutshot (2850 in chips)
    Seat 8: potstabber10 (3000 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: lilholdem954 (2830 in chips)
    rymaster: posts small blind 10
    dblgutshot: posts big blind 20

    Holecards:
    Dealt to agriffrod [ ]
    FOLD potstabber10
    FOLD lilholdem954
    FOLD charder30
    FOLD IMFNTERRIBLE
    RAISE agriffrod , 40 to 60
    FOLD pairDboard21
    FOLD wijken
    FOLD rymaster
    CALL dblgutshot, 40

    Flop:
    [ ]
    CHECK dblgutshot:
    CHECK agriffrod :

    Turn:
    [ ] [ ]
    CHECK dblgutshot:
    BET agriffrod , 80
    RAISE dblgutshot, 160 to 240
    CALL agriffrod , 160

    River:
    [ ] [ ]
    CHECK dblgutshot:
    BET agriffrod , 460
    RAISE dblgutshot, 720 to 1180
    agriffrod :
     
  2. bruha47 bruha47 is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:22pm) in reply to agriffrod

    id say hes got a lower flush/trip 8's but thats just from a mid stakes donk
  3. AGame18 AGame18 is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:22pm) in reply to agriffrod

    bet flop

    turn is fine

    call river?
     
  4. stsitron stsitron is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:22pm) in reply to agriffrod

    Im calling this river everytime....
     
  5. SN8WMAN SN8WMAN is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:24pm) in reply to bruha47

    i dont think u can possibly fold here because you dont know if he is gonna play QJss this aggresively and push it like its the nuts like he is doing.....i say call.
     
  6. gbmantis gbmantis is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:25pm) in reply to stsitron

    as played, fold
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  7. Annette_15 Annette_15 is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:25pm) in reply to stsitron

    hes got 7s or 78s... I fold river.
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  8. jalman1 jalman1 is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:26pm) in reply to Annette_15

    i make a spewy river call
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  9. latifahs latifahs is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:26pm) in reply to Annette_15

    He could have deuces here too and could have lucked out on the turn.
  10. jesterwords jesterwords is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:27pm) in reply to AGame18

    so, either he's hit a boat, a lower flush... or he's flat out bluffing thinking your weak.

    What was your thought process during the hand?

    I notice that you were using pot control through your line, but what I am getting at is when you hit your flush, at that point, did you believe that you were going all the way with the hand if he pushed, or were you ready to give it up to a possible boat?

    I think that your own internal feelings here are important to how you played the hand out. You don't really mention if he had played any hands or showed anything down. Did you have any notes or previous history with this player?

    Finally, is he the type of player who thinks that you can lay down the 2nd nuts on that type of board, if in fact you were playing a nut flush?
  11. agriffrod agriffrod is offline 2010 WSOP #3 FT

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:28pm) in reply to SN8WMAN

    Even if he has QJss here once, does it make it profitable to call when he has a boat/quads more often? At least thats my opinion
     
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  12. alfieo alfieo is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:29pm) in reply to Annette_15

    He's got K8 with Ks.

    Plus there is 2310 in the pot. You have to call 720. 3-1. Don't you have to call here?

    ( My numbers are probably off)
  13. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:34pm) in reply to agriffrod

    As played I fold river. I can't possibly see this line with a lower flush from a good player, ever, due to about a million and a half reasons.

    I bet flop though.

    The only time I would call the river is if you know your opponent well enough to immediately think you have the dry As when you call the raise on the turn, further knowing you will make that river bet with a pair of Aces.... and further knowing you will fold to his check-raise... and thus he is doing it with his entire range... which is too much to assume and too in deptht thinking for this tournament and you should fold the river.

    lol that sounded retarded
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  14. red309 red309 is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 7:50pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    Would you say that the river check by the villain was bad?
  15. ipwntable ipwntable is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 8:00pm) in reply to red309

    he has 77 is all I can see from his actions, 78 would be a fold in the BB even if suited, for sure, and A8 wouldn't make that line on the turn with the flush showing
  16. stsitron stsitron is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 8:15pm) in reply to ipwntable

    Why would he c/r the river after he just c/r the turn though??? Thats where Im messed up woudlnt he just try and get some value on the river??
     
  17. Edub Edub is offline

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 8:26pm) in reply to stsitron

    ^^^Ya i think hes trying to get max value on the river from high flush...I think he c/r turn to get more value from his already made hand which could be flush but as soon as he c/r on river i think he has flush beat....i fold
  18. agriffrod agriffrod is offline 2010 WSOP #3 FT

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    Dec 18th, 2007 (12/18/2007 10:43pm) in reply to agriffrod

    I folded fwiw.
     
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