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Holdem Problem Small ball vs long ball on current hand

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  1. skillivey skillivey is offline

    Los Angeles, CA
    United States

    Posts: 375
    Joined: Apr 06

    Mar 16th, 2008 (3/16/2008 6:11am)

    I know this is a bad mistake and the results is a lucky one
    Is it best to PLAY SMALL in this scenario or rerer to make it a big pot ??

    the villian is solid player
    from prev games

    pokerstars Game #16014682375: Tournament #81084226, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/03/16 - 06:01:59 (ET)
    Table '81084226 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: warrr (1991 in chips)
    Seat 2: dingos8 (1310 in chips)
    Seat 3: Martza (693 in chips)
    Seat 4: breddah brad (2143 in chips)
    Seat 5: skillivey (1473 in chips)
    Seat 6: IITOXII (1390 in chips)
    breddah brad: posts small blind 10
    skillivey: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to skillivey [4s Js]
    IITOXII: folds
    warrr: calls 20
    dingos8: raises 20 to 40
    Martza: calls 40
    breddah brad: calls 30
    skillivey: calls 20
    warrr: calls 20
    *** FLOP *** [Jd As 3s]
    breddah brad: checks
    skillivey: bets 25
    warrr: folds
    dingos8: raises 25 to 50
    Martza: calls 50
    breddah brad: calls 50
    skillivey: calls 25
    *** TURN *** [Jd As 3s] [4c]
    breddah brad: checks
    skillivey: checks
    dingos8: bets 100
    Martza: folds
    breddah brad: calls 100
    skillivey: raises 220 to 320
    dingos8: raises 900 to 1220 and is all-in
    breddah brad: folds
    skillivey: calls 900
    *** RIVER *** [Jd As 3s 4c] [9s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    skillivey: shows [4s Js] (a flush, Ace high)
    dingos8: shows [Ah Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
    skillivey collected 2940 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2940 | Rake 0
    Board [Jd As 3s 4c 9s]
    Seat 1: warrr folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: dingos8 showed [Ah Ac] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 3: Martza (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 4: breddah brad (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: skillivey (big blind) showed [4s Js] and won (2940) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 6: IITOXII folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. fstick77 fstick77 is offline

    Long Beach, CA
    United States

    Posts: 145
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    Mar 16th, 2008 (3/16/2008 7:22am) in reply to skillivey

    First off, the villian made 2 mistakes. Number one, only min raising with AA. And more importantly, number two, not betting bigger on the turn with 2 players still in the hand. He had to know that one of you guys were on a flush draw. But, he bet only 100 into a pot that had 400 in it, which basically gave you guys 5 to 1 odds and it became 6 to 1 after breddah called. Now, I understand how you thought that you may already have the best hand, but what did you think he had? If you put him on a hand like AK or AQ, why did you raise only 220 into a 700 pot leaving you with a stack of 1063? If you did put him on a hand like AK, what do you do on the river if another A pops up or even a K or a Q which puts some straight possiblities on the board? Are you good enough to lay your hand down? So you see, the small raise definitely puts you in a dilema, especially since he could reraise you all-in which is what he actually did with a set.

    As a general rule of thumb, whenever I get offered 6 to 1 odds to make my flush, I just make the call and hope to make it, especially when my bet closes the action.
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