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    • $1/2 NL cash home game
    • Here's the situation. After the flop is dealt and all betting is done on the flop there's about $100 in the pot with three players
    • Turn gets dealt
    • Player A checks
    • Player B (me) checks
    • Player C bets $34
    • Player A folds
    • After player A has folded, I suggest to Player C that we chop either by him pulling back his bet and splitting the pot or me calling and then chopping. Either way it's a chop. Player C agrees, we chop.
    • Player A gets pissed and says this isn't allowed. He says you can only discuss a chop on a street before anybody bets anything. He says no matter what happens once a bet is put into the pot on a particular street, there can be no discussion of a chop until the next card is dealt and before anybody acts on that card.
    Thoughts?
  1. Player A needs to chill, you can do whatever you want in a home game. Once he mucks the hand is between you and the other guy, and the two of you can chop it or run it 12 times if you please.
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  2.  
    Originally Posted by vitobiggs View Post

    Player A needs to chill, you can do whatever you want in a home game. Once he mucks the hand is between you and the other guy, and the two of you can chop it or run it 12 times if you please.


    Its a home game so u technically can do what you want, but that doesnt mean you should... pretty unethical to me.

    You can do alot of things in life, it doesn't mean you have to, or you should...

    If You and the other player are afraid to play a 1/2 game and chop pots on the turn, then wtf is the point of playing. In a sense there are so many possible ways of colluding if you can split pots on the turn so easily after his fold. U cant bet out, have player A fold, then chop the pot before the other player completes their action. Pretty dick move on your part, and your home games suck imho if this is going down.
    Edited By: ShyGuy03533 Dec 11th, 2010 at 05:54 PM
  3. i think thats kinda dumb..but i guess if its a homegame you can do whatever...
  4. sounds like a game i wouldn't want to play
  5. why dont u and player C just kick everyone out and get your gay on, why the hell are you homos playing poker only to chop pots on the turn, just put the cards and chips away and get to blowing each other already.
  6. Agree 10000000% with the last four posts.
  7. Pretty dick move imo.
  8. Its soft play and shouldnt be allowed. If i bet $34 and before calling you are asking for a chop or take my bet back. Im saying no chance, letting you call then shipping the river
  9. Most definitely soft play, not very ethical. I'd be watching you two like a hawk looking for any more signs of collusion as well.
  10. Yea, this is weak. I'd avoid posting shit.
  11. I would get up and leave the game after this retard collusion.....
  12. I don't think I'd get all bent out of shape about it and start a scene but it definitely would have ticked me off a bit too, and I'm sure many others that were in the same position as Player A would agree. Why you chopping pots on the turn in a $1-$2 home game anyway?
     
  13. definitley not allowed in most casinos, along with most of what you see on HSP. If you want a legit ethical game, then tourney rules seem to answer your questions. would this be allowed in a tourney?
  14. def not right in this spot. If you raised the turn bet, and player C flatted, then there was a bet on the river; if you made the deal then it would be a little different. You have to at least flat the $34 before it is techinally heads up (in a limit game the 4 bet cap would still stand for the turn action).
  15. I'd like to know why there is even a chop happening mid hand. The only time a hand should be chopped is based on the equity at the time of an all in. How can you possibly chop a hand on the turn when you don't know each others cards and someone must have a better hand?
  16. you and player C are douchebags for doing this. Play the fucking hand
  17.  
    Originally Posted by SerlinSteak19 View Post

    I'd like to know why there is even a chop happening mid hand. The only time a hand should be chopped is based on the equity at the time of an all in. How can you possibly chop a hand on the turn when you don't know each others cards and someone must have a better hand?

    Basically this
     
  18.  
    Originally Posted by SerlinSteak19 View Post

    I'd like to know why there is even a chop happening mid hand. The only time a hand should be chopped is based on the equity at the time of an all in. How can you possibly chop a hand on the turn when you don't know each others cards and someone must have a better hand?

    agree. you can do stupid shit like run it twice or 4 times or chop if it's an all in with cards to come but id never play a game which allowed stupid shit like what you did. just begs people to cheat.
  19.  
    Originally Posted by gamble153 View Post

    definitley not allowed in most casinos, along with most of what you see on HSP. If you want a legit ethical game, then tourney rules seem to answer your questions. would this be allowed in a tourney?


    Really? got in a hand at foxwoods very deepstacked for 1/2. I think we were like $700 effective or something.

    UTG blind raised $75 pre. MO flats, I make it 150 or something with AQ , blind raiser flats me blind and the other guy decides to fold.
    So there's like 375 in the middle here and it flops AAK. Checked to me and I put out $200. Guy finally checks his cards and is taking a little time and says (before calling or folding) "hey, I'm happy to do some business on this- if I call uyou agre to check it down? I'll do whatever business you want"

    Noone objected. Dealer didn't say anything. They would hav e let us make that deal. IDK. maybe it is different since we were HU on the flop? Or per haps the dealer was just deferring and not getting in the middle.

    That said, I think OP shouldn't hav been making that move while the other guy was still waiting to act after the 3rd guy got squeezed.
     
  20.  
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    Really? got in a hand at foxwoods very deepstacked for 1/2. I think we were like $700 effective or something.

    UTG blind raised $75 pre. MO flats, I make it 150 or something with AQ , blind raiser flats me blind and the other guy decides to fold.
    So there's like 375 in the middle here and it flops AAK. Checked to me and I put out $200. Guy finally checks his cards and is taking a little time and says (before calling or folding) "hey, I'm happy to do some business on this- if I call uyou agre to check it down? I'll do whatever business you want"

    Noone objected. Dealer didn't say anything. They would hav e let us make that deal. IDK. maybe it is different since we were HU on the flop? Or per haps the dealer was just deferring and not getting in the middle.

    That said, I think OP shouldn't hav been making that move while the other guy was still waiting to act after the 3rd guy got squeezed.

    Sick 37.5x open raise
     
  21.  
    Originally Posted by OneTime_10 View Post

    Sick 37.5x open blind raise

    missed key point, I have seen higher
  22. if i was the owner of the house, i would kick you two fools out right away. first for playing like a bunch of pussies. wtf chop 1/2? lol
    second, its a home game so most often it should be more friendly. why the hell would you do this to other player. i would punch ya in the face and leave. ya should apologize to that player for doing such stupid shietttttt. it aints cool jerome
  23.  
    Originally Posted by OneTime_10 View Post

    Sick 37.5x open raise


     
    Originally Posted by gamble153 View Post

    missed key point, I have seen higher


    yup missed key point. besides, the guy went to $100 blind after that. :)
     
  24. So who got the better deal by checking it down? I am assuming he shows AJ cause are there many players offering this deal when ahead?

    EDIT : almost forgot to say the chopping after squeezing a player out is a dick move and you should stop giving each other hand jobs under the table
  25. Id have to know your and the other guys' hands to make a determination.
    Edited By: K2L55 Dec 12th, 2010 at 12:43 AM
  26. Completly unethical in any poker game IMO.
    Edited By: elendil Dec 12th, 2010 at 12:52 AM
  27.  
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    Really? got in a hand at foxwoods very deepstacked for 1/2. I think we were like $700 effective or something.

    UTG blind raised $75 pre. MO flats, I make it 150 or something with AQ , blind raiser flats me blind and the other guy decides to fold.
    So there's like 375 in the middle here and it flops AAK. Checked to me and I put out $200. Guy finally checks his cards and is taking a little time and says (before calling or folding) "hey, I'm happy to do some business on this- if I call uyou agre to check it down? I'll do whatever business you want"

    Noone objected. Dealer didn't say anything. They would hav e let us make that deal. IDK. maybe it is different since we were HU on the flop? Or per haps the dealer was just deferring and not getting in the middle.

    That said, I think OP shouldn't hav been making that move while the other guy was still waiting to act after the 3rd guy got squeezed.

    This is not the same as OP. You are on a separate street by this time and have led out. OP wants to make a deal before he acts, but after Player A already has.
  28.  
    Originally Posted by whatsup View Post

    angle shoot by other guy. You say no = you have ace, he folds; you say yes = you dont have an ace
    either way you respond is plus EV for him

    Total angle shoot by the other guy I agree. That's why I posted it. As it turned out I said no deal and he DID call.

    I shoved the blank turn and bc of image he almost called me with KQ.
     
  29. Are you fucking kidding me OP?

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