live poker is rigged ..

 

Originally Posted by unta

give the guy his money back and never play there again

wow, neither of these. floor must have ruled that the callers hand was so thoroughly mucked as to be unretrievable, making a showdown impossible. only live hand remaining takes the pot of the completed action. pretty standard ruling and 57 shoulda protected his hand, period. keep playing where people think bottom 2 pair on the turn is the nuts, imo.

that sucks. Best thing is to get past it cause a bunch of people agreeing with you in the forums is not going to do anything but deepen the sting of the whole situation.

I agree that I need to get over it, but I can not get over the fact that every player at the table thought the right thing happened....... The man announced a call before his hand went in the muck, so therefore it should have been a call..... I talked to 3 different floor people after the incident, and all said something different..... If the man started yelling, "OMG i had a straight flush draw, and his hand was in the muck, I would have given him his 285 back and taken the pot before that, because it is such a crappy situation.... But when he starts going crazy because they mucked a hand that is drawing dead to me, and he had called, he should have been a man and paid off the bet, ruling or not....... I showed him my hand, so he wouldn't feel that I was angle shooting him.....

I'm just stunned the Borgata did nothing to make anything right......

 

Originally Posted by patthecat35

it's 100% the dealers fault and technically the whole pot should have been shipped to you.. i have seen them do it in the past.

several people have mentioned how it's the dealer's fault and how bad the dealer is, etc. it does seem that the dealer made a mistake in mucking a hand too early...however, it is 10000000% the player's responsibility (and therefore their fault that this happened) to protect their own hand.

it's fairly easy folks...when you have chips in front of you, put a chip on your cards...if you decide to go 'all in'...put your chips into the middle, and hold onto your cards

99.99999999999% of these situations are easily avoidable if people knew what they were doing/did what they were supposed to

60% of the time, it works every time.

Terrible ruling. If player says he had 57hh, floor should get them from the muck, it is a called bet. Never tip that dealer again, and tell the floor to fuck off next time you see him

this is strange , he snapped called , then the dealer quickly grabbed his hand and mucked it, with that type of action goin on the dealer mucked his hand? that is just ridic, but i guess the dealer thought he said fold and scooped his hand so i guess the ruling is right and u get what the pot was since in there mind there was no called bet, someone needs to check and see what that dealer has in his coffee cup on his breaks imo, uugh

You could have been all slick and been like

"Wow, you really had 75hh and called my extra XXX right?"

Do this in a down trotted voice so he thinks he has you beat and he will keep on confirming what he had then bam, flip over the 99. Guy had no reason to lie about 75hh and calling the all in now did he :-)

I can't imagine there being any discussion. This is WRONG. "CALL" verbalized, end of story.

 

Originally Posted by bonflizubi

Gags-

the problem here is that villain not protecting his cards cost HERO $615. Basically villain got a freerolled angleshoot by a bad ruling. Had he protected his cards he owes that call, but in this case he got out of it.

Totally the dealers fault/floor's fault. Villain clearly called and even claimed a losing hand yet the guy who protects his cards gets F'd?

You are right about protecting your hand, but that doesn't help OP here.

you're right, what i posted wasn't super relevant to the op. however several people commented on how it was the dealer's fault and how awful the dealer was, and i just wanted to point out that it's def the players fault here too.

as far as the ruling...it's not that bad of a ruling, i've seen it called both ways here. ya, i'd clearly want all the money if i was the op, but i can see not making him pay too. i'm not positive what is correct, so i won't even bother saying what i think they should have done. i really could see it being ruled either way in order to 'maintain the integrity of the game'

I love lamp

once he says call, the dealer is supposed to put all of the money in the pot and declare a showdown after putting the river down. whether his hand was mucked or not he was claiming to be drawing literally dead, so you should have exposed your hand and said regardless if he gets his hand back HE HAS 0% CHANCE TO WIN, you get all the money end of story. horrible ruling imo and dealers fault 100%

Forgot to mention. Sorry this happen to you that really sucks.

I own my own online business. Whenever I make a mistake I compensate my customer for the trouble. Its good business.

 

Originally Posted by HPeer

This kind of thing has happened to me before, believe it or not.

It sucks what happened and it was a bad ruling IMO, but as the poster said above.. I would NEVER show my cards until i used up all my options.. If the floor made that ruling I would call for the Supervisor, and ask for his ruling. I would def. not have shown my hand.

Hindsight is 20/20, but believe it or not, i've seen worse rulings.. You still got the smaller pot.

I was in a hand at the Taj once where a dealer killed a hand.. The kid actually had the dealer button on his cards and the dealer still killed it. The floor comes over and says "ok, we have an identify and recover situation" he whispered his cards to the floor, and pointed to them in the muck, and the dealer gave them back.

Unreal stuff

If I was the losing player I would have just given you my money knowing I was going to lose the hand anyway. Even though the ruling was in my favor giving me back money I still know I would have lost the hand and hence I would have tossed you my stack and said your a good guy for not flipping out on me.