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Is this a horrible fold or a good fold? Please discuss

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  1. smokey337 smokey337 is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2007 (3/30/2007 12:58pm)

    27 player tourney, first hand of final table. I left myself 2000 to maybe have a prayer.

    pokerstars Game #9158421119: Tournament #46536261, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit -
    Level VII (100/200) - 2007/03/30 - 00:55:17 (ET)
    Table '46536261 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: forestfawn (3298 in chips)
    Seat 2: jfd1244 (3015 in chips)
    Seat 3: kashpit (11530 in chips)
    Seat 5: Nick280 (5039 in chips)
    Seat 6: Pombinho (640 in chips)
    Seat 7: gekketukker (6906 in chips)
    Seat 8: ky_reign (5000 in chips)
    Seat 9: smokey337 (5072 in chips)
    forestfawn: posts the ante 25
    jfd1244: posts the ante 25
    kashpit: posts the ante 25
    Nick280: posts the ante 25
    Pombinho: posts the ante 25
    gekketukker: posts the ante 25
    ky_reign: posts the ante 25
    smokey337: posts the ante 25
    jfd1244: posts small blind 100
    kashpit: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to smokey337 [As Kh]
    Nick280: folds
    Pombinho: raises 415 to 615 and is all-in
    gekketukker: calls 615
    ky_reign: folds
    smokey337: raises 1785 to 2400
    forestfawn: folds
    jfd1244: raises 590 to 2990 and is all-in
    kashpit: folds
    gekketukker: calls 2375
    smokey337: calls 590
    *** FLOP *** [Jd Jc 6s]
    gekketukker: bets 600
    smokey337: folds
    *** TURN *** [Jd Jc 6s] [Kd]
    *** RIVER *** [Jd Jc 6s Kd] [Ah]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    jfd1244: shows [Kc Ad] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
    gekketukker: shows [Tc Ts] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
    jfd1244 collected 7125 from side pot
    Pombinho: shows [3h Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
    jfd1244 collected 2860 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 9985 Main pot 2860. Side pot 7125. | Rake 0
    Board [Jd Jc 6s Kd Ah]
    Seat 1: forestfawn (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: jfd1244 (small blind) showed [Kc Ad] and won (9985) with two pair, Aces
    and Kings
    Seat 3: kashpit (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Nick280 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Pombinho showed [3h Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    Seat 7: gekketukker showed [Tc Ts] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
    Seat 8: ky_reign folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: smokey337 folded on the Flop
  2. BeatUp BeatUp is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2007 (3/30/2007 1:17pm) in reply to smokey337

    yea I think you're supposed to shove preflop or fold there's no flat calling that action with AK
  3. smokey337 smokey337 is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2007 (3/30/2007 2:56pm) in reply to BeatUp

    after i made it 2400 and other guy pushes i could only flat call the 590, i couldnt push there if thats what your saying or are you saying push instead of raising 2400?
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  4. the_schmenx the_schmenx is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2007 (3/30/2007 4:00pm) in reply to smokey337

    Let's look:

    Preflop

    Antes= 8 x 25= 200
    BB=200
    All in #1=615
    All in #2=2990
    you are in for 2990
    gek is in for 2990

    That's 9985 in the pot and he bets 600 making it 10,485 and you fold?

    Are you crazy? You are getting over 17-1 on the call and I'd probably just shove there, what's in the pot dictates that play, you are beyond committed to that pot. If you lose so be it. Do you want a chance to win or MAYBE a chance to come in 4th? Think about it.
  5. d2themfi d2themfi is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2007 (3/30/2007 4:18pm) in reply to smokey337

    You gotta shove on that flop regardless of what your opponent does. He obviously has a pocket pair or Ak by the way he has played the hand thus far, and that bet looks really weak. Its a bet saying "get out of here my hand cant stand any pressure. If he has a jack in this spot so be it. The pot is too big and your remaining stack too small to worry about such things. That said the player with the tens played this really horrible.
     
  6. smokey337 smokey337 is offline

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    Mar 30th, 2007 (3/30/2007 9:52pm) in reply to d2themfi

    Thanks for the advice, I went into the timebank and really thought I was beat because he bet and he bet so little, like he was begging me to push, might have overthought it, but thanks for the advice guys and gl
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