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How acurate is Pokerdb and offical poker ranking sites

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  1. OutsGalore OutsGalore is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:06am)

    I was just curious as to how accurate these sites are. I was looking at the pokerdb and everyones numbers look really really impressive. But then i was lookin at some of the same people on officialpokerranking and i see tht some of these players have made a lot of money but they have given a large chunk of it back. I am jut curious if anyone knows how accurate these numbers are.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:11am) in reply to OutsGalore

    You discovered a very interesting thing. One shows winnings and one shows performance. As I understand it, both are very accurate, with the exception of showing how much is spent on rebuys. It does give you some good insight into how much money the NAME players spend and how many tourneys they actually enter.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:49am) in reply to computerb

    Actually pokerdb also shows total tournaments & profits too. however, that part is considered the advanced pokerdb & a small yearly or monthy fee is charged. I bought the advanced version & love it. I prefer db over opr, but both seem to be extremely accurate.
    ty,

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  4. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:16am) in reply to ab1212

    I always through OPR was pretty accurate, but just realized they have missed a few tournaments for myself, and a few people I know.
    They seem to have a good amount of them included, but seems like they are missing a small number as well
  5. threeven threeven is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:18am) in reply to Faaantastic

    thepokerdb is very accurate methinks. They have missed one tourmement of mine in the past that I noticed. I PMed Nat and he added it asap.
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  6. Faaantastic Faaantastic is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:22am) in reply to threeven

    did OPR not include 180s for a while?
    I just realized they dont have any of mine listed from before Dec 06 or so
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 6:25am) in reply to threeven

    http://officialpokerrankings.com/

    Yea OPR is a good one. It missed like a couple hundred 180-mans I played a while back, I guess they can't backtrack very far for sngs, but for tourneys it went back pretty far. It can't have gone too far backthough, because I checked two different sn's that I used to play under between 2 and 1 year ago, and it didn't have any records of either of them, even though I had a bunch of tourney scores (and a couple wins) under those accts. OPR is my favorite so far though of what I have seen.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 7:59am) in reply to OutsGalore

    Both sites are fairly accurate and have my stats pretty good going back 18 months (including all my old paradise poker stats). What matters most is profit and both OPR and the extended version of pokerdb give provide fairly good estimates of profit for all players with one key exception: rebuys

    I think both sites use the average buy-in per player per tournament to estimate the amount of profit each player makes, but the top ranked players tend to buy-in for more than the average because of the number of single buy-in players that get eliminated during the first hour (very few of the top-ranked players are ever in for less than a double buy-in + add-on, and they will almost always rebuy if they have to in order to stay in the tourny).

    So if a top-ranked player has a profit of X on OPR but has played, for example, 100 x the 100R @ $100 more than the average buy-in, the real profit is X - $10k. I keep my own stats on #rebuys/profits for this reason, but I still think a quick check of a players stats on OPR/pokerdb gives a good idea of how good a player they are.
     
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:36am) in reply to OutsGalore

    I find that sites that show your losses are pretty inaccurate. If you take me for example, I have never paid full price for a tournament over $50 cause i satelite into everything that i can. But unless i cash in those $215 tournements, it will say that i lost $215.

    keep in mind that I never really got into these stat sites to begin with.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:38am) in reply to smitty833333

    Yeah, but you did pay $215 to enter the tournement, even if you won a sat.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:47am) in reply to threeven

    so u would rather pay then get the site for free? opr is much better anyway.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:51am) in reply to threeven

    What i meant was, it on full tilt I invest $8 to get a $26 token, then i turn that into a $75 token, then I turn that into a seat in the $215 tournament, then i lose. My record would show that i lost $215 when in fact i only invested $8
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 8:57am) in reply to smitty833333

    Yeah, but that wouldnt change the fact that you lost $215 on MTTs, which would be 100% accurate
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 9:03am) in reply to threeven

    It would also show you winning these tokens would it not?
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 9:06am) in reply to David032389

    Not if they were won in SNGs

    MTT sats are shown in thepokerdb
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 9:25am) in reply to threeven

    Many people have trouble grasping precisely what a satty does:

    A satellite is the EXACT same thing as a normal tourney, except unlike a normal tourney, it electronically decides for you what you will be doing with your winnings.

    For example:

    Say you enter a $10, 100 entrant tournament that pays 10 spots, all equally. These ten people would all win $100, $90 in profit each for their tourney score.

    Say you instead enter a $10 100 entrant satty to a $100 that pays 10 spots, all equally. These ten people would all win $100, $90 in profit each for their tourney score. However unlike the previous example, which was just a normal cash payout MTT (albeit with a weird payout strcture (for the sake of the post)) instead of getting $100 to do whatever the f you want with, you instead are FORCED by the poker website to use the $100 in winnings to buy into the said $100 tourney.

    It's just like slot machines where you can win a corvette or something if u win the slot machine's jackpot. Say the car costs $50,000. Then basically, the only difference between this slot machine, and a slot machine that pays out $50,000 in cash when u hit the jackpot, is that this machine FORCES you to spend your 50k in winnings on a brand new, blue corvette, or whatever is on the pedestal rotating above the slots. (This btw, imho is not a good thing, I don't like to be forced to spend my winnings how they want, I'd rather spend my winnings how I want).

    You just have to view satellites for what they are. Sure, you can win a $1 supersatty into the WSOP main event on some site probly, but this doesn't really mean you are getting to play in the WSOP main event for a buyin of $1. It instead means that you won $10,000 off a huge-field $1 tourney, and then were forced to spend you $10,000 in tournament profit on the WSOP Main Event.

    I dunno why this is so confusing to so many people.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 9:28am) in reply to OutsGalore

    I use both the db and OPR. My stats are vastly different. What accounts for the differences? Satellites! db does not track sats and OPR does and since I make all my money in sats there is a huge discrepency in my winnings.

    Also OPR does not really track much before November 2006
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 9:28am) in reply to bfactor

    ty bfactor, a well written and insightful post
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  19. threeven threeven is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 9:31am) in reply to MonkeyCowboy

    thepokerdb tracks sats on FTP
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  20. MonkeyCowboy MonkeyCowboy is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 10:30am) in reply to threeven

    I have asked Nat about the sats on stars and for somereason they canmot do it.

    As much as I love FTP I can't give up the good thing I have going at stars.
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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 10:34am) in reply to MonkeyCowboy

    The Bluff version of thepokerdb will track both sats and MTT SNGs on stars.
     
  22. MonkeyCowboy MonkeyCowboy is offline

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    Mar 8th, 2007 (3/8/2007 5:54pm) in reply to N 82 50 24

    Weeeee that IS COOL
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