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how bad is this overship?folding seemed weak at the time.

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  1. lnettles lnettles is offline

    Santa Barbara, CA
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    May 20th, 2008 (5/20/2008 8:31am)

    ull Tilt Poker Game #6491094223: $18,000 Guarantee (48647882), Table 14 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:06:38 ET - 2008/05/20
    MrRuSS (Observer): nh
    Seat 1: THEUBRTIKO (87,922)
    Seat 2: jaepoker (55,549)
    Seat 3: icudonk (314,467)
    Seat 5: CENTO (157,659)
    Seat 7: MaKaVeLi121 (63,717)
    Seat 9: elanor (85,686)
    THEUBRTIKO antes 600
    jaepoker antes 600
    icudonk antes 600
    CENTO antes 600
    MaKaVeLi121 antes 600
    elanor antes 600
    THEUBRTIKO posts the small blind of 2,500
    jaepoker posts the big blind of 5,000
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to elanor [6d Ah]
    CENTO: lol
    CENTO: ty
    icudonk folds
    CENTO folds
    MaKaVeLi121 folds
    CENTO: 4 my money back
    elanor has 15 seconds left to act
    elanor raises to 85,086, and is all in
    THEUBRTIKO has 15 seconds left to act
    THEUBRTIKO raises to 87,322, and is all in
    jaepoker folds
    THEUBRTIKO shows [Ac Ad]
    elanor shows [6d Ah]
    MrRuSS (Observer): ur 76ss was good enough
    Uncalled bet of 2,236 returned to THEUBRTIKO
    *** FLOP *** [2d Kc 3d]
    *** TURN *** [2d Kc 3d] [As]
    *** RIVER *** [2d Kc 3d As] [5h]
    THEUBRTIKO shows three of a kind, Aces
    elanor shows a pair of Aces
    THEUBRTIKO wins the pot (178,772) with three of a kind, Aces
    CENTO: gg
    elanor stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 178,772 | Rake 0
    Board: [2d Kc 3d As 5h]
    Seat 1: THEUBRTIKO (small blind) showed [Ac Ad] and won (178,772) with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 2: jaepoker (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: icudonk folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: CENTO folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: MaKaVeLi121 folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: elanor (button) showed [6d Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces

    i db 'ed both blinds and they were both newbs. I dont know what their ranges are.
     
  2. CHAOS4481 CHAOS4481 is offline

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    May 20th, 2008 (5/20/2008 9:59am) in reply to lnettles

    Hate this move. Sorry. The only time I like this type of move is if you have both blinds covered and it's near the bubble. You had three more free hands coming before your next BB to look for a better spot to make this kind of move. You have 17 BB's left so it's nearing the fight or flight moment, but I think you jumped the gun. Forget about someone waking up with a monster like AA, what if the BB (short stack) looks down at A8 or better? You're getting called and you're dominated. The fact that the SB is the one who woke up with the monster is just bad luck because he's folding anything other than the nuts to your all-in. Bad move, bad timing. Sorry.
  3. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    May 20th, 2008 (5/20/2008 11:44am) in reply to lnettles

    The problem with shoving more than 10bbs is pretty obvious...Your opponents don't have pot odds to call you with weak hands. That means they will only call with good hands. Good hands all crush A6. So you win the blinds 85% of the time, and you get your stack all in as a 3:1 or 4:1 underdog 15% of the time...Big risk small reward.

    From a pure chip EV stand point, meaning you aren't considering how far you are from being ITM, etc this play is very marginally +EV unless the blinds are really really loose (even if they will both call as loose as 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs its break even and most people aren't that bad). But it's still not optimal. I'd say raising to 13000-14000 and folding to a reraise is the best way to play this one.
  4. sct123 sct123 is offline

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    May 20th, 2008 (5/20/2008 12:32pm) in reply to lnettles

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    what he said
  5. lnettles lnettles is offline

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    May 20th, 2008 (5/20/2008 7:35pm) in reply to TheMayor

    good input. I think open folding is bettr than raise 2.5x and fold. if I had more than 20bbs I think it makes sense.
     
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