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How bad of a play was this?

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  1. silence411 silence411 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2006 (9/9/2006 11:53am)

    I am new to the forums so I first want to thank everyone for their advice and the great posts I read here daily. Now onto the hand in question. There were 59 players left out of 1213 and I had been playing fairly tight. He had been doing a lot of limping and min. raising without anything special. With his min. raise utg I put him on a hand up to AJ or 99. Most likely I thought it was a small pp or suited connector. Hopefully I don't get a lot of flames for this. If you think it is a horrible play than just please let me know why.

    ***** Hand History for Game 5132910131 *****
    0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 28480973) - Sat Sep 09 02:43:47 EDT 2006
    Table Regular(822553) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: silence411 (52619)
    Seat 2: sherman1999 (62389)
    Seat 3: turningtrix (138904)
    Seat 4: JackSitsHere (97424)
    Seat 5: Clean_Escape (9486)
    Seat 6: InTheCellar (14886)
    Seat 7: RSTKS (46045)
    Seat 8: BigSky17 (24188)
    Seat 9: RCGREEN72 (20180)
    Seat 10: RockyJAA (81242)
    silence411 posts ante (75)
    sherman1999 posts ante (75)
    turningtrix posts ante (75)
    JackSitsHere posts ante (75)
    Clean_Escape posts ante (75)
    InTheCellar posts ante (75)
    RSTKS posts ante (75)
    BigSky17 posts ante (75)
    RCGREEN72 posts ante (75)
    RockyJAA posts ante (75)
    RockyJAA posts small blind (1500)
    silence411 posts big blind (3000)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to silence411 [ Kh, Ac ]
    sherman1999 folds.
    turningtrix raises (6000) to 6000
    JackSitsHere folds.
    Clean_Escape folds.
    InTheCellar folds.
    RSTKS folds.
    BigSky17 folds.
    RCGREEN72 folds.
    RockyJAA could not respond in time.(disconnected)
    RockyJAA folds.
    silence411 calls (3000)
    ** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, Qs, 6c ]
    silence411 checks.
    turningtrix bets (3445)
    silence411 calls (3445)
    ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3c ]
    silence411 bets (43099)
    silence411 is all-In.
    turningtrix calls (43099)
    ** Dealing River ** : [ 7d ]
    Creating Main Pot with $107338 with silence411
    ** Summary **
    Main Pot: 107338 |
    Board: [ Jc Qs 6c 3c 7d ]

    silence411 balance 0, lost 52619 [ Kh Ac ] [ high card ace -- Ac,Kh,Qs,Jc,7d ]
    sherman1999 balance 62314, lost 75 (folded)
    turningtrix balance 193623, bet 52619, collected 107338, net +54719 [ Qh Ts ] [ a pair of queens -- Qh,Qs,Jc,Ts,7d ]
    JackSitsHere balance 97349, lost 75 (folded)
    Clean_Escape balance 9411, lost 75 (folded)
    InTheCellar balance 14811, lost 75 (folded)
    RSTKS balance 45970, lost 75 (folded)
    BigSky17 balance 24113, lost 75 (folded)
    RCGREEN72 balance 20105, lost 75 (folded)
    RockyJAA balance 79667, lost 1575 (folded)
  2. BigGunX BigGunX is offline Mr OT Party

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    Sep 9th, 2006 (9/9/2006 12:00pm) in reply to silence411

    He had been doing a lot of limping and min. raising without anything special.

    All the more reason to move him. Reraise with your AK and take the pot down on the spot. You want to take him off his hand at that point. You really don't want to be playing AK out of position at that stage of the tourney.
     
  3. scal78 scal78 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2006 (9/9/2006 12:13pm) in reply to silence411

    push back pre-flop.
  4. Adam Adam is offline Emperor

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    Sep 9th, 2006 (9/9/2006 12:18pm) in reply to silence411

    I'm of the opinion that this is one of the situations where a monster overbet (i.e. all-in shove) is the only appropriate response to your opponent's bet. Given stacks/blinds, you need that 11k that's in the pot---moving in and having your opponent fold will augment your stack by over 20%. If your opponent calls, you're often a slight underdog but also fairly often a decisive favorite
     
  5. scal78 scal78 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2006 (9/9/2006 12:21pm) in reply to Adam

    The key point, Adam, is that you increase your stack over 20%. More times than not, based on the read, he's folding, and that's fine. I agree with you...can't think of any other way to play this hand in this spot, with these blinds, and this point in the tournament.
  6. GO LET IT OUT GO LET IT OUT is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2006 (9/9/2006 4:48pm) in reply to scal78

    I don't get though if you know the guy is weak why don't you just reraise him preflop. I mean from what it sounded like he was raising preflop a lot, thus he had a wide hand range. You basically don't even need a hand to set this guy straight, this guy obviously has no concept of poker, I mean a minraise UTG, that is just weak. I doubt he was trying to represent a big pair with that raise, I mean after what you observed. In tournament poker this is what you are trying to do, find the weakness in other players, and exploit it, without showing down your hands. I mean as long as you now the guy is going to fold to a big reraise then go for it. And from what it sounds like your image sounds pretty solid, so hopefully he would respect your raise, and afterall you are raising the chip leader, and pretty much committing yourself to the pot with a reraise. You could use the AK as a tester raise, for restealing later to. See how he reacts to the reraises preflop when he does the minraise, does he fold, or does he call, if you don't give him pot odds that is? And if he folds show him the AK, get that solid image, and use it to your advantage later to take some more chips from him. At this point to increase your stack by that much without showing a hand, especially preflop, there is no reason not to do it. Neways bro im out, take care and God Bless.

    LET IT OUT!
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