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  1. forget the fact that im a spewy lagtard...

    pokerstars Game #13439018189: Tournament #67348114, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/11/24 - 12:40:13 (ET)
    Table '67348114 25' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: ZedLeplin (5050 in chips)
    Seat 2: MMaja (3169 in chips)
    Seat 3: HoodedMan (16344 in chips)
    Seat 4: nascartina (4810 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: jewito (5230 in chips)
    Seat 6: deathtax (11175 in chips)
    Seat 7: Eaturlunch (2995 in chips)
    Seat 8: ackypoo (5733 in chips)
    Seat 9: Butters1728 (4755 in chips)
    jewito: posts small blind 15
    deathtax: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ackypoo [Jd Td]
    Eaturlunch: folds
    nascartina has returned
    ackypoo: raises 64 to 94
    Butters1728: folds
    ZedLeplin: folds
    MMaja: folds
    HoodedMan: folds
    nascartina: raises 176 to 270
    jewito: calls 255
    deathtax: folds
    ackypoo: calls 176
    *** FLOP *** [2s 2d 7d]
    jewito: checks
    ackypoo: checks
    nascartina: checks
    *** TURN *** [2s 2d 7d] [3d]
    jewito: checks
    ackypoo: bets 400
    nascartina: calls 400
    jewito: folds
    *** RIVER *** [2s 2d 7d 3d] [Kh]
    ackypoo: checks
    nascartina: bets 510
    ackypoo: raises 990 to 1500
    nascartina: calls 990
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ackypoo: shows [Jd Td] (a flush, Jack high)
    nascartina: shows [Ks Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
    nascartina collected 4640 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4640 | Rake 0
    Board [2s 2d 7d 3d Kh]
    Seat 1: ZedLeplin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: MMaja folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: HoodedMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: nascartina (button) showed [Ks Kd] and won (4640) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces
    Seat 5: jewito (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 6: deathtax (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: Eaturlunch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: ackypoo showed [Jd Td] and lost with a flush, Jack high
    Seat 9: Butters1728 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. The fact he 3 bet you 2x your original raise may have been your first clue that he had QQ+
  3. Sry man but that was pretty poor all round. Your initial minimum raise is ok, although I'm calling from 2nd position with this on a passive table, and folding on a tough table. For me, the hand is an instant fold to a reraise of this size and then a cold call. You don't have enough chips to make speculative calls at this stage, your hand is essentially a drawing hand, that will need significant improvement on the flop to continue, since you are almost certainly up against better hands. The initial reraiser has position on you, so you have called a large reraise out of position with a likely inferior hand.

    On the flop, you have been forced to check because the raiser is last to act, making you worried about him coming over the top. If you were last to act and it's checked to you, it's a nice flop for you to fire a small semi bluff at with 2 overcards and a flush draw. As it is, Nascartina's check is awful, he's giving a free card to a flush in a 3 way pot when holding an overpair to the board and it's been checked to him, what more does he want? His check is very confusing, unless he's holding 77 which is extremely unlikely given his reraise pre flop, and you'd imagine he'd bet KQ AQ AK of diamonds. My guess would be that he's completely missed.

    I like your strong bet on the turn, no need to invite a higher diamond to kill you on the river. I'd be somewhat scared of his smooth call here though, you don't have the nut flush and 77 is still a possibility, however unlikely. At this point I'd want some previous on him, If he's 'weak tight' you have to be worried about AK of diamonds, this type of player tends to want a made hand before comitting to any betting, which would explain the check on the flop. So his call here would slow me down somewhat.

    The board pairs on the river which makes checking a no brainer. You can't beat a full house, and you're possibly dominated by a higher flush. I check here and fold to a substantial bet, but I'm calling smaller bet. His raise on the river is clever, he's giving you 4/1 on the call, and you can't resist those odds. I'd fold this however, because I'd be at least 90% sure I'm beat. You need to compare the odds of the call to those of the likely holding. If it's a bluff he wouldn't be giving you 4/1 on your call. Try to imagine what type of hand you would raise this river with? It's only going to be the nut flush or a boat right?

    His slow playing of this hand is ugly to say the least, and yes he got lucky on the river, but your initial pre flop call is what did the damage. You should never have been in this pot in the first place.

    As it turned out the only bet that put him on a big pair was his pre flop reraise. However, this shouldn't be forgotten by the time you reach the river, it is still a possible range regardless of his post flop play.
  4. By the way, I'd make a note of how he played this, he probably routinely slowplays big pp's regardless of the texture on the flop.
  5. This is my 2 cents. Raising with this hand is fine but calling around a 2x raise is not good. You have chips and are doing well up to this point. You check is fine here, but this pot, if played needs to be small. The board has paired and you don't even have the nut flush. You could be drawing dead once the turn hits and your card hits and you get called. The river is check raised by you which I don't understand and the question you ask is can you put him on KK? My answer is very unlikely but what else beats you 77-maybe, 2222-not really, 333-unlikely. I can understand you think you're ahead but don't gamble here.
  6. my call preflop, im fine with, oop or not..i have a lot of chips and this is hand you can win a big pot with i think.
    also, if i folded to people everytime i got reraised and didnt have a top 10 hand id be folding wayyyy too much.
    i think my checkraise is awful, but like i said, i couldnt put him on a hand that was beating me. i honestly thought he had a/k the way the hand played out.

    if he has a big diamond draw i think he bets the flop after taking the lead so i rule out a diamond draw.
    Thread Starter
  7. also, i rule out 7/7 and 2/2 for the simple fact that although i am lag, i dont think thats a play you see very often from people.

    anddddddddddddd furthermore, he didnt reraise me on the river, so i think he is bad. thats my take.
    Thread Starter
  8. i'm fine with the call because j10ss is the perfect hand to crush someone with. I think I don't think he gave his hand away until the river. The river reraise is NEVER a bluff. Either he has a full house or a flush like aqdd akdd or kqdd. It is possible he had 77...not 33 imo. I think it sucks but you got to fold here...however i probably call and lose also.