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  1. LeHavre LeHavre is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 10:45pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3652946851: $24,000 Guarantee (27362435), Table 70 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:19:24 ET - 2007/09/23
    Seat 1: princedvs (7,570)
    Seat 2: pertbal (8,570)
    Seat 3: Miesque (5,477)
    Seat 4: Golferbo13 (4,330)
    Seat 5: vector919 (10,220)
    Seat 6: LeHavre (6,188)
    Seat 7: leeovermy78 (6,838)
    Seat 8: tvcrafty (3,870)
    Seat 9: SloungerWB (3,535)
    Miesque posts the small blind of 80
    Golferbo13 posts the big blind of 160
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to LeHavre [Qh Qd]
    vector919 folds
    LeHavre raises to 448
    leeovermy78 folds
    tvcrafty folds
    SloungerWB folds
    princedvs folds
    pertbal calls 448
    Miesque calls 368
    Golferbo13 folds
    *** FLOP *** [3h Kh Jh]
    Miesque checks
    LeHavre checks
    pertbal has 15 seconds left to act
    pertbal checks
    *** TURN *** [3h Kh Jh] [Td]
    Miesque checks
    LeHavre bets 750
    pertbal has 15 seconds left to act
    pertbal calls 750
    Miesque folds
    *** RIVER *** [3h Kh Jh Td] [2s]
    LeHavre checks
    pertbal has 15 seconds left to act
    pertbal bets 1,280
    LeHavre has 15 seconds left to act
    LeHavre has requested TIME
    LeHavre folds
    Uncalled bet of 1,280 returned to pertbal
    pertbal mucks
    pertbal wins the pot (3,004)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3,004 | Rake 0
    Board: [3h Kh Jh Td 2s]

    my image was solid at this table, hadn't played many hands and onlyshowed down KK. I think i should have bet the flop to defind the otherplayers' hands earlier, but i was trying to keep the pot from gettingout of hand. If you check the flop, do you check the turn too? Did mybet size give away my hand's weakness?
    On the river i figured he'd just check down any hand i was ahead of soi let him have it with his K or Ah or weak flush. What other lines would you take?
  2. LeHavre LeHavre is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:14pm) in reply to LeHavre

    nobody noticed this the first time so i'll give it one bump
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  3. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:21pm) in reply to LeHavre

    I'm pretty ABC, so if I led preflop I lead after, I'd have bet the flop. As played, why not check raise the turn with second pair, str8 and flush draws? You'd know where you stood for sure after that.
  4. 1.21Gigawatts 1.21Gigawatts is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:31pm) in reply to LeHavre

    I kind of want to call his river bet. You gave him a free pass to bluff so you have to expect him to fire out here.

    The way he played it though, he could have A10h and decided to slowplay it to death.
  5. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:45pm) in reply to LeHavre

    I'd pay him off. If I was him, I'd bluff on the river since you checked. Your river check would tell me you don't have a flush because you'd have to bet it to get SOME value out of the hand after slowplaying to death, and you'd have a hard time calling with anything less than AT or a set. And since a bluff is so likely after your check there, I'd have to pay the man his money.
  6. LeHavre LeHavre is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:52pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    so which is better, betting or check-calling the river? If you bet, how much?
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  7. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:54pm) in reply to LeHavre

    Are we all in complete agreement that you should've bet the flop?
  8. rmoriar1 rmoriar1 is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:55pm) in reply to threebanger

    lol @ betting the river
  9. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:56pm) in reply to LeHavre

    Honestly, I'd check call. Your hand has showdown value, especially with how weakly villain played the hand, so you want to put as little in the pot as possible. If you bet and get raised, you're in an even bigger predicament for more chips, so I'd check/call and see what villain had and then write good/bad note accordingly, lol.
  10. LeHavre LeHavre is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2007 (9/25/2007 3:56pm) in reply to rmoriar1

    yeah
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