I played tight and came back from about 9 bb maybe 5 hands before this, after being card dead at a very loose table.

21 left and 18 spots pay.

How do you play 1010, JJ, QQ in this spot. I don't know if its unlucky or if I misplayed this hand. How do you play tt or QQ in this exact spot?

Should I 3,4 x raise it or shove here? The big blind has been fairly loose. Thanks for your help in advance.

Stage #1763925707 Tourney ID 4448863 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 300 - 2009-07-09 19:56:57 (ET)
Table: 19 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - MR_BLONDE08 (12,091 in chips)
Seat 2 - ISAAC177 (6,212 in chips)
Seat 3 - WANT_A__BUMP (5,626 in chips)
Seat 4 - PETTER13 (9,486 in chips)
Seat 5 - JOKERHIGHS (10,325 in chips)
MR_BLONDE08 - Ante 25
ISAAC177 - Ante 25
WANT_A__BUMP - Ante 25
PETTER13 - Ante 25
JOKERHIGHS - Ante 25
WANT_A__BUMP - Posts small blind 150
PETTER13 - Posts big blind 300
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to WANT_A__BUMP [Jd Jc]
JOKERHIGHS - Folds
MR_BLONDE08 - Folds
ISAAC177 - Folds
WANT_A__BUMP - All-In(Raise) 5,451 to 5,601
PETTER13 - Calls 5,301
*** FLOP *** [4s Ad 2h]
*** TURN *** [4s Ad 2h] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [4s Ad 2h 9h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WANT_A__BUMP - Shows [Jd Jc] (One pair, jacks)
PETTER13 - Shows [As Kh] (One pair, aces)
PETTER13 Collects 11,327 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(11,327)
Board [4s Ad 2h 9h 6c]
Seat 1: MR_BLONDE08 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: ISAAC177 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: WANT_A__BUMP (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, jacks [Jd Jc - P:Jd,P:Jc,B:Ad,B:9h,B:6c]
Seat 4: PETTER13 (big blind) won Total (11,327) HI:(11,327) with One pair, aces [As Kh - P:As,B:Ad,P:Kh,B:9h,B:6c]
Seat 5: JOKERHIGHS Folded on the POCKET CARDS

 

Originally Posted by phyzer23

you did good

whattt id much rather r/c or maybe even l/shove since u say hes been real active, shoving seems right if u hate money

itd be helpful to know his tendencies if u were to limp and to know what the buyin is/whether or not the bb is compotent, good spot to shove vs thinking players

3-4 times raise pre he shoves you call same result, limp he raises you shove same result, Just a hand thats destined to go in preflop with these stacks, run good next time!

Shove seems to fine to me.

Raise / Folding is horribly expolitable on the bubble (or pretty much any other time)

This is a monster 5 handed. Raise to 900 to induce the most action from worse hands. Do the same with 77+ vs a loose player. Never fold good or mid pairs here preflop. Never fold smaller pairs either, at least open shove them. You can open shove 22-66, etc. Don't shove bigger pairs unless you are someone who will never raise fold in this spot and the other playr is aware of that and he will adjust accordingly. If that's the case, you have to change it up to make yourself unpredictable...but that sort of situation is the rare exception to the rule. Otherwise, open shove low pairs and maybe some other things, and standard raise stronger hands to induce action.

I wish I could get hands like JJ in this spot on the bubble to play.. Im stuck with 7 high every hand Then have to shove JJ when I have 3 BB's..

Jesus you lost a race. Real shock. YOu will lose probably 75% of them online. Deal with it.

Shoving is fine and +EV and unexploitable. It is also the easiest way to play the hand. (since you cannot make a mistake subsequently in th hand) The only question is, Is there a better way to play the hand? (and really your range of hands)

This is very complicated. You would have to know exactly what the villian does vs any line to calculate correctly.

Poker is kinda hard. (for an easy game)

I'm generally raising with intent to call a shove, especially if the BB has been aggressive. Shoving seems like the second best option. Don't worry so much about the bubble at this point, as it's pretty much irrelevant.

Raise is always more profitable in this situation. You want the BB to make the mistake of coming over the top with hands he will not call a shove with.

 

Originally Posted by poumi554

 

Originally Posted by AFink93

YOu will lose probably 75% of them online.

Logically speaking OBV, thats how it goes, everyone loses 75% of races online.

I'm afraid this can't be right-in my experience, the figure's at least 80%, or else I've seen others have the worst luck imaginable.

Now that today's math lesson is done with, I prefer the 3x raise, though the outcome will, of course, be the same here.

 

Originally Posted by firaldo

 

Originally Posted by GoodWoodRR

 

Originally Posted by darkcheck_

 

Originally Posted by phyzer23

you did good

whattt id much rather r/c or maybe even l/shove since u say hes been real active, shoving seems right if u hate money

Did I have too many bb to shove here? Should I have 3x and seen flop? What do you do if you 3x here and he shoves over top pre?

Thanks

The reason u want to raise/call a shove rather than open shove is u have an extremely strong hand bvb and u want to get him to shove weaker hands over your raise. In this example its gonna work out the same but this play also lets him reshove Ax hands and small pairs etc.

Ditto to this -- open raising for 20x the big blind with blind vs. blind action is retarded. But face it, the $$ was going in anyways before the flop. I guess we're supposed to feel sorry for your loss of a race, better luck next time.

 

Originally Posted by Marion Cobretti

You've got the combination of an awkward stack size and a hand that can be tricky to play. JJ has been my kryptonite lately.

3x raise it and call a shove. But there's nothing wrong with shoving it with your stack size. A lot of times thinking players will assume you're doing this with something worse than JJ and call with a hand you have crushed.

Don't be results oriented. You got it in the middle as a favorite. That's +EV.

This is not true. The only hands he could possibly call you with that you would have crushed would be A10s, AJs, etc, and a loose player in a blind vs blind situation is going to come over the top of your 3x raise preflop anyways. The correct play would be to give him the opportunity to come over the top of you with a much weaker hand, ie. 22-77, A3 etc. Shoving does nothing but kill your chances of getting action from a much less superior hand that you would like.

Raise to 900-1000 and super snap high five monitor call when he shoves

open shoving is +EV but its not the best way to play the hand to win the tourney (only way open shoving would be +EV if you were playing the 100r or something and balancing your range, but at this lvl you don't have to worry about this)