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How do you play this river?

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  1. Sigman06 Sigman06 is offline

    Orange Park, FL
    United States

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    Jun 20th, 2009 (6/20/2009 5:51pm)

    Wanted to get opinions on how to play this hand. It might be straight forward for most of you but I was just wanting to see how others play it. The opponent had been playing loose most of the game. All input would be appreciated.

    Table '173351435 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: PEPokerPro (3890 in chips)
    Seat 2: JOCHAO (7694 in chips)
    Seat 3: LeeRN (1690 in chips)
    Seat 4: Corncholio (5205 in chips)
    Seat 5: iiiirik (3258 in chips)
    Seat 6: Adalestyle34 (5822 in chips)
    Seat 7: Deathknell95 (3150 in chips)
    Seat 8: poppa bee (4271 in chips)
    Seat 9: AsherASmith (720 in chips)
    AsherASmith: posts small blind 75
    PEPokerPro: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Adalestyle34 [Js Qh]
    JOCHAO: calls 150
    LeeRN: folds
    Corncholio: folds
    iiiirik: calls 150
    Adalestyle34: calls 150
    Deathknell95: calls 150
    poppa bee: folds
    AsherASmith: calls 75
    PEPokerPro: checks
    *** FLOP *** [6s Kh Jh]
    AsherASmith: checks
    PEPokerPro: folds
    JOCHAO: bets 150
    iiiirik: calls 150
    Adalestyle34: calls 150
    Deathknell95: calls 150
    AsherASmith: folds
    *** TURN *** [6s Kh Jh] [Qd]
    JOCHAO: checks
    iiiirik: checks
    Adalestyle34: bets 600
    Deathknell95: folds
    JOCHAO: folds
    iiiirik: calls 600
    *** RIVER *** [6s Kh Jh Qd] [7h]
    iiiirik: checks
    Adalestyle34: ????

    Whats your line here.

    a) Check and go to the showdown.

    b) Value bet river.

    If you value bet river and he shoves all in do you call??
  2. Tamarick Tamarick is offline

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    Jun 20th, 2009 (6/20/2009 10:00pm) in reply to Sigman06

    So most ppl might tell you this is a fold PF. But, I would say it's ok to limp along hoping to hit a big hand.

    That said... Second pair isn't a big hand. Still I think you were priced in to a call after the flop. You aren't investing a lot of chips to see the turn.

    The turn brought either the best card in the deck, or the worst. Plus, since it's a limped pot, I think it's possible the guy in front of you has AT, I wouldn't polarize his range there, but it is in his range. People love to limp with weak aces, especially suited ones.

    Still, I think you absolutely had to bet. I might have bet a little more, but I don't mind the line.

    The river is a pretty bad card. A heart draw makes sense and with a straight on the board, a check by a trappy opponent is more than likely, plus, you have the straight to worry about.

    This is one of those situations where you are either way ahead, or way behind. A value bet is called that because you are trying to get a worse hand to cal you. To give you value for your better hand. In this situation, I think it's unlikely you'll get called by a worse hand.

    Even worse, a smart opponent could check raise you with complete air and put you in a disgusting spot. This is one of those occasions where you are never going to get action by someone unless they have you crushed.

    So, to answer your question:

    a) Check Behind.
    b) no way
    c) Fold to a shove, there is nothing you can really beat here.

    My 2c...
  3. timzc1 timzc1 is offline

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    Jun 20th, 2009 (6/20/2009 10:41pm) in reply to Sigman06

    Sounds weak but I think checking it down might be very reasonable. obv u can't call action and there is a reasonable chance he will give it -- with the flush or even the str; and most bets you make will be very unlikely to be paid off (unless they are so small they are hardly worth the risk of hism check r you off your better hand or some such).

    --timzc1
  4. Sigman06 Sigman06 is offline

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    Jun 21st, 2009 (6/21/2009 1:22am) in reply to Tamarick

    Thanks for the input. I ended up deciding to check the river and he flipped AQ giving me the best hand. I was wanting to see if my check on the river was a weak play or a good one due to the potential Straight and Flush out there.
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  5. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 5:04am) in reply to Sigman06

    Check 100% of the time. If you have him beat he will not call a bet, if he has you beat you get called or reraised. So effectively you will not be able to win more chips here, while you can lose a lot more chips by betting. That's my reasoning for checking here.
  6. elusively elusively is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 1:19pm) in reply to DutchCourage

    check behind on the river
  7. pferdferd pferdferd is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2009 (6/22/2009 4:50pm) in reply to Sigman06

    I can't think of a hand that is worse than yours that calls a river bet....unless you have a read and this is a very bad player who is calling with AK or AQ (just about the only two hands that you beat there), you have to check behind.
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