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How do you range this opponent? Does your range make this a fold?

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  1. NeverScaredB NeverScaredB is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 8:28pm)

    Ok, so I flatted pre looking to outflop a big pair. Lo and Behold, I get the flop I'm looking for. Problem: on the turn, of the three big pairs out there, I now only beat one. Call or fold to the overshove?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10496112555: FTOPS Event #7 (73884677), Table 73 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:16:27 ET - 2009/02/07

    Seat 1: frenetic (23,909)

    Seat 2: OJ Limpsin (38,222)

    Seat 3: Marcilan (30,290)

    Seat 4: sketchy1 (25,655)

    Seat 5: nenabgood (59,094)

    Seat 6: dazman000 (37,225)

    Seat 7: rdcrsn (63,665)

    Seat 8: jayinch (30,287)

    Seat 9: NeverScaredB (113,474)

    frenetic antes 150

    OJ Limpsin antes 150

    Marcilan antes 150

    sketchy1 antes 150

    nenabgood antes 150

    dazman000 antes 150

    rdcrsn antes 150

    jayinch antes 150

    NeverScaredB antes 150

    sketchy1 posts the small blind of 600

    nenabgood posts the big blind of 1,200

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to NeverScaredB [9d Js]

    dazman000 folds

    rdcrsn folds

    jayinch folds

    NeverScaredB raises to 2,400

    frenetic folds

    OJ Limpsin has 15 seconds left to act

    OJ Limpsin folds

    Marcilan folds

    sketchy1 folds

    nenabgood raises to 3,600

    NeverScaredB calls 1,200

    *** FLOP *** [9h Qs 9c]

    nenabgood bets 9,150

    NeverScaredB has 15 seconds left to act

    NeverScaredB calls 9,150

    *** TURN *** [9h Qs 9c] [Ah]

    nenabgood bets 46,194, and is all in

    NeverScaredB
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  2. marc1313 marc1313 is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 8:41pm) in reply to NeverScaredB

    don't play on ftp, so don't know what the buy-in is, but w/o reads, I fist pump call here and high five the monitor when he turns over ak or more likely aq.
  3. SS-TP SS-TP is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 8:47pm) in reply to marc1313

    lol at ever folding here
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  4. Jax0910 Jax0910 is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 8:58pm) in reply to NeverScaredB

    For the reason you gave then maybe find a hero fold, saying that though id probs never fold lol gross hand
  5. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 11:32pm) in reply to Jax0910

    you gotta get it in since its the best you could ha asked for short of flopping a boat.

    Plus, you have 2:1 chips over villain and will still have plenty big stack should you lose.
     
  6. ratsauce89 ratsauce89 is offline

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    Feb 7th, 2009 (2/7/2009 11:56pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    He plays AA and QQ this way? Highly doubt it.
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  7. hytop hytop is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 12:13am) in reply to ratsauce89

    i hate these teaser posts...just post the entire HH =(
  8. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 12:13am) in reply to ratsauce89

    Did you call and lose is that why ur posting??? :)
  9. pokerpoker69 pokerpoker69 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 12:21am) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Did you call and lose is that why ur posting??? :)

    No, hes trying to ask for some peoples thoughts.

    The guys range is 100% AA KK QQ, and after the turn..the only hand you beat is KK.
    The thing is...I dont think hes shoving the turn very often with KK when an ace spikes. So I think that pretty much makes it a fold once all those factors are considered...I duno....anyways...unlucky he had AA obv...GG tho and gl
  10. Hub Dub 04 Hub Dub 04 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 12:22am) in reply to bef99hwk

    Obv villian has QQ or AA and he lost this hand. Chalk it up to a cooler and move on.
  11. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 12:29am) in reply to NeverScaredB

    imo you can take AA out of this range as I"d be completely shocked if he's over shoving the turn. So rly the only hand ur afraid of is QQ and that is such a small part of his range. So you can't put someone on one hand here.

    Had he made any of these strange three bets before?
  12. NeverScaredB NeverScaredB is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 12:53am) in reply to Hub Dub 04

     
    Originally Posted by Hub Dub 04 View Post

    Chalk it up to a cooler and move on.

    Why? Yes, he had a boat, and yes, I snapped thinking I could never fold, but looking back at it I had him on a big pair pre-flop and I don't really beat a big pair that he overshoves the turn with. The consensus with everyone I've talked to is that this is never a fold but I can not for the life of me figure out why not. What hand range makes sense for his entire line that I can profitably call against? And, more importantly, if it doesn't make sense for his entire line which part of the line should I 'ignore,' e.g. AA shouldn't be overshoving the turn but neither should KK or QQ, and those make up most of the range that he mini-raises pre-flop, so which part of the line should I assign a nonsensical range for?
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  13. Bdybldngpkrplyr Bdybldngpkrplyr is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 1:00am) in reply to pokerpoker69

     
    Originally Posted by pokerpoker69 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Did you call and lose is that why ur posting??? :)

    No, hes trying to ask for some peoples thoughts.

    The guys range is 100% AA KK QQ, and after the turn..the only hand you beat is KK.
    The thing is...I dont think hes shoving the turn very often with KK when an ace spikes. So I think that pretty much makes it a fold once all those factors are considered...I duno....anyways...unlucky he had AA obv...GG tho and gl

    LOL @ saying some randoms min raise range is only AA-QQ.
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  14. patvoytko patvoytko is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 1:01am) in reply to NeverScaredB

    am i missing thing here pf?

    you min raised, he min re-raised
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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 1:06am) in reply to patvoytko

    I was deep in the 75k today with NeverScaredB and all he did was min raise. It was actually kind of funny.
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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 1:29am) in reply to pokerpoker69

     
    Originally Posted by pokerpoker69 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Did you call and lose is that why ur posting??? :)

    No, hes trying to ask for some peoples thoughts.

    The guys range is 100% AA KK QQ, and after the turn..the only hand you beat is KK.
    The thing is...I dont think hes shoving the turn very often with KK when an ace spikes. So I think that pretty much makes it a fold once all those factors are considered...I duno....anyways...unlucky he had AA obv...GG tho and gl

    100% AA, KK, QQ LMAO you are crazy if u narrow guy down to 3 hands on this. Lot of satty players in ftops. I say his range is much wider than AA,KK,QQ. i got AJ+99+

    edit: FML, bdyblder got there before me
     
  17. bhanks11 bhanks11 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 2:06am) in reply to Appst08

    i'm drunk...and lol......this can't be serious.....
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  18. pokerpoker69 pokerpoker69 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 2:44am) in reply to Appst08

    with their stack sizes...and him min reraising....yeah, his range is nothing but that....Im talking about his range for shoving that turn card. this guy was nitty as fuck.
    rethink the situation before you start laughing. do you think hes min reraising into the chipleader with something he doesnt want to get it in with????
    no1 is going to min reraise with 99 or aj in this spot ever....even if they were slightly retarded.
  19. mp_all_in mp_all_in is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 2:53am) in reply to NeverScaredB

    raise on the flop and get it in there...
  20. gray31 gray31 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 2:59am) in reply to mp_all_in

    Looks like it's time to start min 3betting rags
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  21. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 3:06am) in reply to pokerpoker69

     
    Originally Posted by pokerpoker69 View Post

    with their stack sizes...and him min reraising....yeah, his range is nothing but that....Im talking about his range for shoving that turn card. this guy was nitty as fuck.
    rethink the situation before you start laughing. do you think hes min reraising into the chipleader with something he doesnt want to get it in with????
    no1 is going to min reraise with 99 or aj in this spot ever....even if they were slightly retarded.

    seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it allllllll the fking time. They want u to think strength strength strength.
     
  22. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 3:06am) in reply to gray31

     
    Originally Posted by gray31 View Post

    Looks like it's time to start min 3betting rags

     
  23. taypaur taypaur is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 1:21pm) in reply to NeverScaredB

    this thread can't be for real
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  24. JoePo JoePo is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 4:57pm) in reply to NeverScaredB

    I didn't know FT added a limit preflop, NL postflop game, interesting.

    But seriously, you can't just put him on QQ+ here. I've seen it done with Ax, various pairs, I've even seen it with hands like KJs and QTs.
     
  25. 88XIN88 88XIN88 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 6:23pm) in reply to JoePo

    Good flat on the flop.

    DEFINATE fold on the turn against this specific player.
     
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