Hey guys, I just busted out of a party tournament with a bunch of idiots in it. I was wondering how a person calls with the hand they did to knock me out. It was getting late in the tournament, 140 left out of 2000 entrants. The blinds were 300/600 and i had around 6000 in chips. I had been playing really tight, squeaking almost. I had gone all in on some flops before and shown them my overpair. So from MP i raise it up 3X the BB with QKo, and get one caller on the button. The flop comes 772 with 2 spades. So just as I had done a few times before, I go all in, presumably to defend my hand against a flush draw. The guy beats me into the pot with 66, and I dont hit an out. What I want to comment on is him calling 3X BB bet with basically a limp/muck hand. Its a hand that if you dont flop a set you should usually fold. Anyway, I'm sort of venting, but also would like to know what you guys think of the situation.

Thanks for the response. Maybe a better play for me would have been to check it, then hope i hit my out, or a scare card comes and I can make a small bluff at it. Looking back, I realize that people sometimes are not paying attention to the cards i show when i make a play, and I should have been more cautious. You are right, I tried to make a play, didn't get the result I expected.

Yeah, I have to agree with you. I was trying to exploit my tight image a bit. This was actually a freeroll for party Points. I think if I made this play in, for example, a $100 MTT on UB, it would have worked. But this was not a $100 MTT on UB. I'll be careful next time :)

This is a very bad habit; being predictable with the all-in don't call me I have a tight image play. The risk reward ratio is frequently negative when you move all-in.

Here is another example that if I had to guess you might make this move as well. It exhibits a poor risk/ reward ratio.

The blinds are high, the table is playing really tight and it folds around to a player in late position or the SB. There is some kind of raise that looks suspicious. The BB decides to move all-in and shut it down reading the move as a steal. He thinks the raiser doesn't want to play a really big pot and his all-in obviously is for fold-equity.

The problem is sooner or later players who like that play run into a big hand and a good player will intentionally make it look like a steal; we've all seen it AA in the SB for example.

I lost a tournament on Saturday to AK in the SB making this poor risk / reward mistake; I had A-9 and moved all-in on the SB who raise 2XBB. I read it as weak and risked my entire stack over 3*BB. Poor risk / reward. He had AK and I was toast! I didn't have to risk my entire tournament - I voluntered and deserved to lose as you did in the above example.

You were read correctly and outplayed.

Remember good players who see you as the all-in type of player will trap you because they are HOPING you will move in on them. IT'S A VERY BAD HABIT

What hand were you defending? King high? He probably put you on exactly what you had; two overcards. He thought he had the best hand when he got his chips in and he was right!

"I had been playing really tight, squeaking almost."

For the most part, you either have a loose table image or none at all. Very few opponents are good enough to put you as a tight player when you are playing tight. In other words, you play tight for the last hour, and likely noone remembers it. You show down a loose play one time, and everyone remembers it. The basic premis to remember is that a tight table image likely gets you nowhere in online play, whereas being marked as loose can pay off.

Also, when you drop down to 10x the BB in chips, even your good opponents must discount your starting hands, and put you on a greater range.


"I had gone all in on some flops before and shown them my overpair."

This works better live than online. At least in a live environment, I can see whether or not my opponents are paying attention to what I showed down. I can also tell whether or not they can comprehend a tight table image or not.

"What I want to comment on is him calling 3X BB bet with basically a limp/muck hand. Its a hand that if you dont flop a set you should usually fold."

It's a limp/muck hand early in a tournament. But later in a tournament, its a great hand to play against overcards with only a standard preflop raise. This gives them the option of calling, and about 2 out of 3 times being able to take the pot down on the flop without a showdown. Since you acted first, its a little more of a dangerous play, and works better if the caller is in the blinds.

"The flop comes 772 with 2 spades."

Barring you having two spades (and especially if he's holding the 6 of spades) this is a great flop for him. Had the flop come 77T, then he's still going to call, but he's only a 3 to 2 favorite, instead of the 3 to 1. The unpaired card has to be lower than his pocket pair, or the board can kill him by turning or rivering two pair, where your overcard kicker would play.

If you put your opponent on a small to medium pocket pair, then an excellent paired flop for you to move in on would be something like 9 9 T. Your hand is in a race with any other pocket pair from 8's on down. And this would be a more difficult board for your opponent to call an allin on, knowing that he is likely racing or is dominated, rather than racing or dominating.

the answer was in the first port.. "BUNCHA IDIOTS"

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