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How to play AA and KK?

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  1. Bonaite Bonaite is offline

    Santo André
    Brazil

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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 12:09am)

    I play only MTT and I usually run fairly well until I get AA or KK and get KO with it...i'd say that 80% of the time I'm KO I'm holding these pairs so I'm wondering if I'm playing it correctly...well, honestly all these KO happen after some donkey sucking out on me but I still would like to know what you guys think...

    this is how I usually go out...

    Stage #2006714902 Tourney ID 4886663 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 150 - 2009-11-19 00:28:57 (ET)
    Table: 18 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - NATRONSCL (11,635 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ZEE3212 (4,686 in chips)
    Seat 3 - GTKAWAKAMI (4,320 in chips)
    Seat 4 - UNCTHEEL222 (3,495 in chips)
    Seat 5 - KNOCKMUPNOUT (4,605 in chips)
    Seat 6 - JC1010 (20,901 in chips)
    KNOCKMUPNOUT - Posts small blind 75
    JC1010 - Posts big blind 150
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to GTKAWAKAMI [Kd Kc]
    NATRONSCL - Raises 450 to 450
    ZEE3212 - Folds
    GTKAWAKAMI - Raises 1,350 to 1,350
    UNCTHEEL222 - Folds
    KNOCKMUPNOUT - Folds
    JC1010 - Folds
    NATRONSCL - Calls 900
    *** FLOP *** [3d 2d 4c]
    NATRONSCL - Bets 2,925
    GTKAWAKAMI - All-In(Raise) 2,970 to 2,970
    NATRONSCL - Calls 45
    *** TURN *** [3d 2d 4c] [9d]
    *** RIVER *** [3d 2d 4c 9d] [8s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    NATRONSCL - Shows [Qd Jd] (Flush, queen high)
    GTKAWAKAMI - Shows [Kd Kc] (One pair, kings)
    NATRONSCL Collects 8,865 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(8,865)
    Board [3d 2d 4c 9d 8s]
    Seat 1: NATRONSCL won Total (8,865) HI:(8,865) with Flush, queen high [Qd Jd - P:Qd,P:Jd,B:9d,B:3d,B:2d]
    Seat 2: ZEE3212 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: GTKAWAKAMI HI:lost with One pair, kings [Kd Kc - P:Kd,P:Kc,B:9d,B:8s,B:4c]
    Seat 4: UNCTHEEL222 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: KNOCKMUPNOUT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: JC1010 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

    I can't even blame on the stakes...this hand was from a $50+5 buy in 10k gtd:

    Stage #1996524416 Tourney ID 4886997 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 30 - 2009-11-14 00:15:55 (ET)
    Table: 16 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - YOSUPHPOKER (2,100 in chips)
    Seat 2 - GOLF2009 (1,405 in chips)
    Seat 3 - TOMMY_2LIPS (5,355 in chips)
    Seat 5 - CYBERAMOEBA (1,970 in chips)
    Seat 6 - JHENKEL (2,000 in chips)
    Seat 7 - 1DERER (2,580 in chips)
    Seat 8 - FLASHGRUV (2,655 in chips)
    Seat 9 - MCFLOPPIN (1,955 in chips)
    YOSUPHPOKER - Posts small blind 15
    GOLF2009 - Posts big blind 30
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to CYBERAMOEBA [Qh Qd]
    TOMMY_2LIPS - Folds
    CYBERAMOEBA - Raises 100 to 100
    JHENKEL - Folds
    1DERER - Folds
    FLASHGRUV - Calls 100
    MCFLOPPIN - Folds
    YOSUPHPOKER - Folds
    GOLF2009 - Calls 70
    *** FLOP *** [5s 2h Jc]
    GOLF2009 - Checks
    CYBERAMOEBA - Bets 215
    FLASHGRUV - Calls 215
    GOLF2009 - Folds
    *** TURN *** [5s 2h Jc] [3s]
    CYBERAMOEBA - Bets 450
    FLASHGRUV - All-In(Raise) 2,340 to 2,340
    CYBERAMOEBA - All-In 1,205
    FLASHGRUV - returned (685) : not called
    *** RIVER *** [5s 2h Jc 3s] [10s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    CYBERAMOEBA - Shows [Qh Qd] (One pair, queens)
    FLASHGRUV - Shows [3h 5h] (Two Pair, fives and threes)
    FLASHGRUV Collects 4,055 from main pot
    FLASHGRUV Collects Bounty Prize of $5
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot(4,055)
    Board [5s 2h Jc 3s 10s]
    Seat 1: YOSUPHPOKER (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: GOLF2009 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 3: TOMMY_2LIPS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: CYBERAMOEBA HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qh Qd - P:Qh,P:Qd,B:Jc,B:10s,B:5s]
    Seat 6: JHENKEL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 7: 1DERER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: FLASHGRUV won Total (4,055) All-In HI:(4,055) with Two Pair, fives and threes [3h 5h - B:5s,P:5h,B:3s,P:3h,B:Jc] BOUNTY awarded: ($5)
    Seat 9: MCFLOPPIN (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
  2. cjmace24 cjmace24 is offline

    Boulder Creek, CA
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    Nov 19th, 2009 (11/19/2009 12:25am) in reply to Bonaite

    That KK hand is just sick. Looks like you ran into a LAG chip leader. That's the action you want, just unlucky. If you want to play it safer, just shove over their open raise. Once you raise 1/3 of your stack it's gotta go in anyways right? And so often you'll get that call from 77+

    The QQ hand. So many people take a gamble when the blinds are so low. Seem again like a bad results hand, but I don't like the 3x raise at such low blinds. 4.5x or 5x at those blinds gets more of those crap hands out. But at the same time, if that player is going to call you down to the river w/ the paired 5...awesome (if they don't get that lucky catch)
  3. sgildea25 sgildea25 is offline

    Nashua, NH
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    Nov 20th, 2009 (11/20/2009 1:28pm) in reply to cjmace24

    Early on in MTTs, I don't screw around with AA or KK. Just raise 3.5x and if anyone calls, bet normal if the board comes out nothing screwy. Later in MTTs, you can get tricky with AA limping UTG or UTG+1, but the most profitable play will always just be to raise and bet the flop normal according to popular theory.

    I've been trying my hand at the "advanced" plays w/ AA and KK (limping late pos./re-raising a late pos. raiser after limping UTG or UTG+1) and I'm not finding much success. People almost always snap fold to the limp-reraise from early position knowing it's AA or KK unless you are playing <$10 MTTs.

    AA, KK, QQ, and AKs are always going to be the hands you remember busting on because anytime you do lose as a monster favorite, it just burns in your brain.

    Play ABC poker at small stakes with AA and KK. Get more advanced at higher stakes where players will respect the play. Then you can do the same thing with 62o and they will be none the wiser :-).
  4. yolu yolu is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 2:00am) in reply to Bonaite

    Bro your just goin through a streak of cooler with big pairs....i go through them all the time i play a very high volume of 90 player sngs and believe me i been cracked over the head with my big pairs.....the best advice i can give for the lower buyin tournament is to keep it simple (limp pre hope for a raise and 3 bet) or over bet pretty high.....what i notice in the lower buyin tourney players arent paying attention like you are. try it to protect your hands from the 45suited snap offs....u may lose value but you wont be losing your whole stack everytime which is what the big pairs are most famous for

    Your playing your hands fine just variance and extremely bad play from your opponents.
  5. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

    Garwood, NJ
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    Nov 24th, 2009 (11/24/2009 8:51pm) in reply to yolu

    Uhm....both hands look fine? Maybe a little too aggressive in hand 2 but not a real leak and pretty much what I would do without reads.
     
  6. Tacosontilt Tacosontilt is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 7:02am) in reply to Bonaite

    just lol, dude seriosuly get real, "80% of the time i get Ko'ed with KK or AA" seriously get real, please stop posting on p5s
     
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