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How to play facing a 1/5 pot bet on the river holding ace king high.

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  1. JoePo JoePo is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2008 (7/23/2008 11:10pm)

    Ignoring how incredibly horrible I played this hand, what should I do on the river? No reads, but I have been tight.

    pokerstars Game #19028581065: Tournament #96577492, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/07/22 - 22:22:05 (ET)
    Table '96577492 70' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: LE KEB (21321 in chips)
    Seat 2: Pyzzz (13430 in chips)
    Seat 3: NUTTY54 (22589 in chips)
    Seat 4: joet1969 (2126 in chips)
    Seat 5: UglyTuna23 (40212 in chips)
    Seat 6: TJGROW8 (8783 in chips)
    Seat 7: JoePo007 (6380 in chips)
    Seat 8: junkie256 (8815 in chips)
    Seat 9: palurdo (12603 in chips)
    LE KEB: posts the ante 50
    Pyzzz: posts the ante 50
    NUTTY54: posts the ante 50
    joet1969: posts the ante 50
    UglyTuna23: posts the ante 50
    TJGROW8: posts the ante 50
    JoePo007: posts the ante 50
    junkie256: posts the ante 50
    palurdo: posts the ante 50
    UglyTuna23: posts small blind 200
    TJGROW8: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JoePo007 [Ks As]
    JoePo007: raises 1000 to 1400
    junkie256: folds
    palurdo: folds
    LE KEB: folds
    Pyzzz: folds
    NUTTY54: folds
    joet1969: folds
    UglyTuna23: folds
    TJGROW8: calls 1000

    POT = 3450
    HERO CHIPS LEFT = 4980
    VILLAIN CHIPS LEFT = 7383

    *** FLOP *** [2s 4c 9h]
    TJGROW8: checks
    JoePo007: checks **I checked here, not wanting to get check raised all in by a middle pair.

    *** TURN *** [2s 4c 9h] [Js]
    TJGROW8: checks
    JoePo007: bets 1200 ** nut draw and AK high. I think he has either a middle pair or ace high based on the preflop call. If he has ace high he is down to only a few outs, so I bet enough to eliminate his odds, while saving myself enough to bluff the river if he just calls with a middle pair.

    TJGROW8 said, "44?"
    TJGROW8: calls 1200

    POT = 5850
    HERO CHIPS LEFT = 3780
    VILLAIN CHIPS LEFT = 6183

    *** RIVER *** [2s 4c 9h Js] [6h]
    TJGROW8: bets 1200
    JoePo007:

    What hands can you put him on?
    Can you force out any pairs with a small all in raise?
    What would you do?
     
  2. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2008 (7/23/2008 11:26pm) in reply to JoePo

    Meh, he's got AJ, KJ, QJ, or JT.
    No he's not folding to an all in.
    I would have c-bet him out of the flop. On the river? Even though you're pretty much priced in for a crying call, I say save your chips cause you're about to have to start shoving soon.
  3. doox doox is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 12:18am) in reply to threebanger

    The "44?" comment when there's still a card to come makes me think he could have a set that beats that. Kinda sounds like someone who's going out of their way to psyche you out.
  4. qjuice14 qjuice14 is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 12:26am) in reply to threebanger

    don't rule out 810, Q10 , and KQ. A lot of weak players take this line on the river when they miss their draw. It is a bad spot for you, there are many more hands in his range that beat you then you beat, and many of those aren't folding to a shove. The best way to avoid these situations is cont. the flop. you'll take it down more often than not - and when he does c/r you, you will usually be getting the proper odds to call off their w/ most likely 2 live overs and backdoor flush draw. It makes situations much easier than getting to river, facing a tiny bet and just trying to figure out what you can beat so you can make a crying call.,
     
  5. Dissident Dissident is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 12:34am) in reply to qjuice14

    what did the one guy on the cash version of poker after dark say?

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  6. Thatislife Thatislife is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 12:36am) in reply to JoePo

    Just looks like a newb blocking bet to me....Call and see Q10 or shove and let him fold. Never fold in this spot.
  7. downbylaw11 downbylaw11 is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 12:42am) in reply to Thatislife

    either fold cause youre likely beat, or raise cause he's likely weak. don't call
  8. Simm0nS777 Simm0nS777 is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 1:17am) in reply to JoePo

    fold for sure. the 44 comment means hes got u beat.
     
  9. JoePo JoePo is offline

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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 8:53pm) in reply to JoePo

    JoePo007 has timed out
    JoePo007: folds
    Uncalled bet (1200) returned to TJGROW8
    JoePo007 is sitting out
    JoePo007 has returned
    TJGROW8 collected 5850 from pot
    TJGROW8: shows [Ah 5s] (high card Ace)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5850 | Rake 0
    Board [2s 4c 9h Js 6h]
    Seat 1: LE KEB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Pyzzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: NUTTY54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: joet1969 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: UglyTuna23 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: TJGROW8 (big blind) collected (5850)
    Seat 7: JoePo007 folded on the River
    Seat 8: junkie256 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: palurdo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
     
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    Jul 24th, 2008 (7/24/2008 10:06pm) in reply to JoePo

    folding is bad cause your bet on the turn is so horribly weak that he's most likely calling with any 2 cards. i definitely don't fold the river at this point. people suck, he could literally have anything from a missed draw to the stone cold nuts
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