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How to play pps in EP with short-med stack.

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  1. Fife19 Fife19 is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 5:11am) in reply to porter

    Nice post Annette..... I always find playing small pp's from EP difficult. How much do you take into account as to how aggro or passive your table is playing, and your image?
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 5:25am) in reply to Fife19

    jeez Annette, you're such a nit ;)
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 6:17am) in reply to Annette_15

    nice post

    I think I still fold 22-44 with 9x/10x & antes.. Also unsure about your 14-15x w antes range.
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 2:45pm) in reply to ess286

    ... A-Ko
  5. beaver_belton beaver_belton is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 2:56pm) in reply to Annette_15

    w/ 50x +, why limp OR raise... you have a set strategy for every other situation, but here u call for either one being appropriate. is this solely due to fact that u r deepstacked and are trying to keep your opponents guessing/do not want them to notice how u play certain hands...

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  6. Annette_15 Annette_15 is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 5:52pm) in reply to beaver_belton

    I say limp OR raise because i know a lot of ppl like to just see cheap flops with these hands early in tourneys, and i dont see anything wrong with that as long as ur deep enough where u can limp and call a raise with the correct implied odds to do so.,.. and in most cases u need at least 50x to do this.
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 5:55pm) in reply to Annette_15

    Very new to this community and the poker world but it refreshing to see a player like Annette using this forum to get everyone's mind off all the controversy (at least for a second or two) Have already referred to this a couple times to my advantage and look forward to more poker discussions in the future instead of all the drama.
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 6:00pm) in reply to busto_soon

    I thought it was- ev to open fold pps
     
  9. wny2nyc47 wny2nyc47 is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 6:04pm) in reply to agriffrod

    22 and 55 don't have the same value if you're getting called by big stacks who have A3 and A4, which I've seen ~1 billion times.  It's the difference between a flip and a 2:1 advantage.
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 6:14pm) in reply to moleskine

    I assume that the list assumes you are first to act, correct?

    Should you ever be coming over the top with them in later position as a shorty?

    If yes, when?
  11. Annette_15 Annette_15 is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 6:16pm) in reply to Cabo

    'Assuming utg at 9 handed table:'
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 6:33pm) in reply to Annette_15

    OK, so I'm duly chastised by an 18 year old girl.

    Can we discuss my question please?
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 7:53pm) in reply to JayAces

    seems like a really solid strategy. thanks Annette
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 7:57pm) in reply to beaver_belton

    rarely in poker should u ever play something the same way every time...
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 9:27pm) in reply to Annette_15

    GREAT information!!! What about other hands in the same situations?
     
  16. Much__Bettor Much__Bettor is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 10:10pm) in reply to Annette_15

    great stuff annette we need more posts like this from some of the top players, keep it up
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    Aug 18th, 2007 (8/18/2007 11:12pm) in reply to Annette_15

    great to see a post that isnt accusing someone of cheating. Very good post, thanks Annette.
  18. zapper1000 zapper1000 is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:09am) in reply to pduubb

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    by pduubb on 8/18/2007 20:27 </TD><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>GREAT information!!! What about other hands in the same situations? </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Not wanting to sound too greddy for info, but i was wondering this same thing. For example: the same situation and stack sizes with 2 brdway or suited con ect.....
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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:18am) in reply to Annette_15

    LP not EP, but I really didnt have a clue what to do with 88 here. Add in the fact we are two places from the money bubble, the two players in the blinds are fully aware of this and have been exploiting it (and I am around 35/57). wtf do you do here?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3275814360: $55,000 Guarantee (24556149), Table 50 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:41:15 ET - 2007/08/16
    Seat 1: MattZman (46,095)
    Seat 2: Akilino (15,289)
    Seat 3: lackingaces (15,818)
    Seat 4: Miss-anonoymous (40,457)
    Seat 5: O_A_A_A (8,296)
    Seat 6: Zpaceman (18,007)
    Seat 7: 1Czarnecki1 (47,463)
    Seat 9: game153 (53,854)
    MattZman antes 125
    Akilino antes 125
    lackingaces antes 125
    Miss-anonoymous antes 125
    O_A_A_A antes 125
    Zpaceman antes 125
    1Czarnecki1 antes 125
    game153 antes 125
    1Czarnecki1 posts the small blind of 500
    game153 posts the big blind of 1,000
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Zpaceman [8s 8d]
    MattZman has 15 seconds left to act
    MattZman folds
    Akilino folds
    lackingaces folds
    Miss-anonoymous folds
    O_A_A_A folds
    Zpaceman: ???
     
  20. zapper1000 zapper1000 is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:24am) in reply to Zpaceman

    Raise call shove. Play to win?
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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:28am) in reply to zapper1000

    Absolutely i am playing to win and refuse to fold to cash here. but if i'm going to raise call shove, why not just shove?
     
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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:31am) in reply to Zpaceman

    raise, call a shove unless the shover is the biggest nit of all time.
     
  23. agriffrod agriffrod is offline 2010 WSOP #3 FT

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:33am) in reply to Zpaceman

    And you don't shove because that's a betting tell. Obv.

    Also, it gives someone the chance to reshove you with QJ or QT. People's calling ranges on the shove are tighter than their restealing range I'd guess. Give someone the chance to shove on you with 66. Open shoving is terrible
     
  24. zapper1000 zapper1000 is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:36am) in reply to Annette_15

    I guess it comes down to wether or not you want action here. Shoving has a better chance of just taking down the blinds, but you could get worse hands than 88 to reshove you thinking you are stealing. You said that the blinds were being very aggro because it was the bubble. To me, this seems like a better reason to induce the re raise as they are likely to hold hands that you are way ahead of.

    Just my opinion though, i hope i am not waay off in my thinking here.
  25. Zpaceman Zpaceman is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 12:50am) in reply to agriffrod

    you mention getting reshoved by hands like QJ, QT, etc. and that was exactly my dilemma. i knew because of the money bubble and my stack size that one of them will reshove me fairly light with hands like AJ, AT, A9, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, JT which are four more times more likely than 22-77 (128 combos versus 36). either way (raise or shove) i am getting called/reshoved by AQ, AK, 99+ but i'm prepared to take that chance (68 combos = 5% chance for each player, so 10% total i run into one of these), but the chance i didn't want to take (the most likely scenario if i raised) was having to race against all those broadway combos. i'm happy to take a race at 12BBs or less, but not at 18BBs where i still have reraise fold equity for subsequent hands

    i went deep into my time bank and decided that, yes, i will call a reshove and, therefore, shoving seemed like the lowest risk approach because it makes a lot of the hands i'm racing against fold. (another aspect is, yes, it is a betting tell but the hand they most likely put me on is AK/AQ and perhaps they call a shove with 22-77 using simple +EV logic)

    anyway the SB called with JJ and gg me, but same result if i raise and call his shove.

    it left me thinking is 88 a good enough hand to put my tourny on the line with here. i still think it is and i just got unlucky (story of my life on full tilt: the only site where I'm a donator).

    seriously i am not being funny here, but is it really that terrible to open shove 18BBs with 88 here?
     
  26. LoveHatePoker LoveHatePoker is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 2:08am) in reply to agriffrod

    Atleast it's soooted.
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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 3:39am) in reply to Zpaceman

    not terrible
     
  28. THE KING65 THE KING65 is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 8:15am) in reply to Cabo

    25x+:
    raise all pps

    All good stuff, except this.
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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 8:17am) in reply to THE KING65

    ^^^plz elaborate
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    Aug 19th, 2007 (8/19/2007 8:20am) in reply to jesterwords

    IMO, you dont enough to be throwing away 3-5bbs at this point if you get repopped.

    Just my opinion, obv Annette runs **cough**cough**, I mean knows better.
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