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  1. h03t h03t is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 8:38pm)

    Only 10 BBs, raises are either the BB or all in situations.. The BBs kill me quick, and my premium hands rarely hit. Every raise makes an all in situation for me. Everyones chip stack is already 4x what I have..
    How would you atttempt to survive, I can't seem to.
    Also, same question but starting with 20 BBs.
  2. WWF2012 WWF2012 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 8:46pm) in reply to h03t

    I would suggest trying to limp in with small pairs trying to hit sets or mid suited connectors. maybe shove with big pairs and AK type hands only. try to hit some flops and get paid off!

    try not to play BINGO ALL IN poker! takes the skill out of the game that we all love :)
  3. ApesAreFun ApesAreFun is offline Moderator/Euro Donk

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 8:49pm) in reply to WWF2012

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    I would suggest trying to limp in with small pairs trying to hit sets or mid suited connectors. maybe shove with big pairs and AK type hands only. try to hit some flops and get paid off!

    try not to play BINGO ALL IN poker! takes the skill out of the game that we all love :)

    This is terrible advice.

    Just play a std push/fold game and you'll be fine.
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  4. WWF2012 WWF2012 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 8:50pm) in reply to ApesAreFun

     
    Originally Posted by ApesAreFun View Post

    This is terrible advice.

    Just play a std push/fold game and you'll be fine.

    B23!!!!
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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 8:56pm) in reply to WWF2012

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    B23!!!!

    Yea... you're bad at poker. What Apes said.
  6. wackyJaxon wackyJaxon is offline Admin X

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 9:04pm) in reply to ApesAreFun

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    I would suggest trying to limp in with small pairs trying to hit sets or mid suited connectors. maybe shove with big pairs and AK type hands only. try to hit some flops and get paid off!

    try not to play BINGO ALL IN poker! takes the skill out of the game that we all love :)

     
    Originally Posted by ApesAreFun View Post

    This is terrible advice.

    Just play a std push/fold game and you'll be fine.

    Limping with 10 BBs is horrible poker. You also aren't deep enough to raise/fold with 10 BBs (although there are exceptions to not shove in STTs if almost everyone is that short). Learn your push/fold charts for 10 BBs or less, there are some good videos by KillerEV in the PocketFives training explaining good push/fold techniques.

    In response to the Bingo comment, if you got yourself that low in a MTT, you need to be playing push/fold to maximize your chances in this form of poker. There really aren't any successful pro's (except maybe Hellmuth, sigh) that would be limping when under 10 BBs.
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  7. WWF2012 WWF2012 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 9:35pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    and hellmuth is clearly on to a very great play as in the limp with a short stack. you still wanna make sure you hit some sort of flop before you get all your chips into the pot and your tourney life on the line
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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 9:45pm) in reply to WWF2012

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    and hellmuth is clearly on to a very great play as in the limp with a short stack. you still wanna make sure you hit some sort of flop before you get all your chips into the pot and your tourney life on the line

    Hellmuth is the acception to the rule, and gets away with this in live play because he gets good reads on players. Some might say he wins depsite this. No point in using the exception to the rule as a general rule of thumb. With 10 BBs you don't have the opportunity to play flops especially on marginal hands since people will be getting it in preflop. If you want to play alot of flops, its best with a deep stack, and also in cash games. Tournament play is a different breed of play and not learning optimal push/fold strategies while shallow in chips is a leak.
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  9. WWF2012 WWF2012 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 10:03pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    maybe I am onto something that you donkey players are not. Keep an open mind as will I as I look into trying this interesting strategy you guys suggest
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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 10:13pm) in reply to WWF2012

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    maybe I am onto something that you donkey players are not. Keep an open mind as will I as I look into trying this interesting strategy you guys suggest

    I would be surprised if there is one online tournament player in the top 1000 that would ever limp with 10 BBs left or less. Most of them wouldn't limp at all never mind the blinds. I am not sure though if I am being leveled in this thread though, so going to stop being redundant myself. GL with your strategy if not a level, but its not necesarily good advice to be giving to others trying to learn the basics.
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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 10:15pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    lol this guy has to be a level right?
     
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    Jan 27th, 2012 (1/27/2012 11:25pm) in reply to WWF2012

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    maybe I am onto something that you donkey players are not. Keep an open mind as will I as I look into trying this interesting strategy you guys suggest

    FYP
     
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 12:05am) in reply to WWF2012

    A- level
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 12:07am) in reply to KingTriton

    You can do it if you're getting tremendous value. That's about it. Like you're 9 handed in the sb with 22 - 66 and everyone at the table has limped. Then you can limp with your 10bb however that is also a perfect spot for a shove so each to their own.
    Edited By: djdoodoo Jan 28th, 2012 at 12:07 AM
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 2:36pm) in reply to grandmamoneybags

    Well AK and AA, or any high pair is hard to come by. So should you going all in with Q9, Q10, A6... sitting around waiting on high pairs knocks you out. So would the hands I mentioned be hands to go all in with with only 10 bb left?? And with only 10 bb left, and every hand being an all in situation, would any pair be good, or just maybe 88+
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 2:44pm) in reply to h03t

    i don't think that wwf is leveling. he just looks ignorant and arrogant. but who knows?
     
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 5:38pm) in reply to h03t

     
    Originally Posted by h03t View Post

    And with only 10 bb left, and every hand being an all in situation, would any pair be good, or just maybe 88+


    Any pair looks like aces when u are under 10 bb
    In all seriousness, you need to get all the chips to win bro. just get your chips in the middle, preferably first in, and especially from middle position on with any semi good hand. You are over-thinking this situation and should be focusing on improving your game at other areas.
     
  18. Kiribato Kiribato is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 8:19pm) in reply to SlappyJay74

    i also heard that miniraising AA in the SB with 10BBs is a great play when 4 players have limped already. You can X3 or X4 your stack since these donks wont fold when you shove the flop
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 9:49pm) in reply to Kiribato

     
    Originally Posted by Kiribato View Post

    i also heard that miniraising AA in the SB with 10BBs is a great play when 4 players have limped already. You can X3 or X4 your stack since these donks wont fold when you shove the flop

    If the donks won't fold to you when you shove the flop, they shouldn't fold when you get it in pre either. I would still recommend pushing with AA since you don't necessarily want 4 other people trying to suck out on your aces.
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 10:00pm) in reply to elevation

    welcome to Pocketfives elevation. What i wrote is called a level. It's basically something written in order to full people for fun. The reason for my behaviour is that earlier a player wrote that you should just limp with less than 10BBs in order to flop a set... It's horrible but he thinks that it works because Phil Hellmuth does it. So in order to complete this idiotic way of thinking, i just add another crappy exemple to pretend I agree with him. It's a level.
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    Jan 28th, 2012 (1/28/2012 10:15pm) in reply to Kiribato

    Why would you start a game with only 10bb?
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    Jan 29th, 2012 (1/29/2012 9:04pm) in reply to 2JL

    10bb is shove with any pair and AB from MP and LP.
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    Jan 31st, 2012 (1/31/2012 1:49am) in reply to Kiribato

     
    Originally Posted by Kiribato View Post

    welcome to Pocketfives elevation. What i wrote is called a level. It's basically something written in order to full people for fun. The reason for my behaviour is that earlier a player wrote that you should just limp with less than 10BBs in order to flop a set... It's horrible but he thinks that it works because Phil Hellmuth does it. So in order to complete this idiotic way of thinking, i just add another crappy exemple to pretend I agree with him. It's a level.

    Lol. Thanks for the welcome, I'm glad to be here. And also thanks for the explanation :D. I was getting confused at first but now it all makes sense
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    Feb 1st, 2012 (2/1/2012 4:26am) in reply to WWF2012

     
    Originally Posted by WWF2012 View Post

    I would suggest trying to limp in with small pairs trying to hit sets or mid suited connectors. maybe shove with big pairs and AK type hands only. try to hit some flops and get paid off!

    try not to play BINGO ALL IN poker! takes the skill out of the game that we all love :)

    this made me lol to be honest, and then i began to rofl. Though i must admit i have limped with 10 bbs or less before, but it was a misclick!, never ever in my right mind would i ever even begin to consider the thought of thinking that i might possibly contemplate limping with 10 bbs or less. As above stated learn your shove charts. There are far more successful players usin a push fold rule then there are limping it off.
    Edited By: Ahurazor Feb 1st, 2012 at 04:26 AM
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