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Final table, 7 players, chip leader has you by a few thousand, 5 are short stacked. On the button you are dealt "A/A", the 5 five short stacks all limp.
If I do raise, it is a high probability all five short stacks will call and be "all-in", if I do not win this hand the winner will be in a striking position.
What I did:
I raised and got five all-ins.
My question:
Would roll the dice and raise?
or
Would you handle it a different way?
I will post the outcome later. -
payouts, please?
Originally Posted by JonesZ
Final table, 7 players, chip leader has you by a few thousand, 5 are short stacked. On the button you are dealt "A/A", the 5 five short stacks all limp.
If I do raise, it is a high probability all five short stacks will call and be "all-in", if I do not win this hand the winner will be in a striking position.
What I did:
I raised and got five all-ins.
My question:
Would roll the dice and raise?
or
Would you handle it a different way?
I will post the outcome later. -
ru seriious?
wtf are u afraid of. Just put in a giant raise or shove.
Also hand histories are nice when discussing hands. -
i think if you lost the hand you should have folded. if you won it, nice shove.
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This is live play, No hand history, payout is irrelevant as I am more interested in others experience in the same situation.
PS you cannot intimidate short stacks with a big raise, well at least you cannot intimidate me. -
Mmmkay, well u didn't say it was live so thanks for clearing it up.
What range of bbs do the short stacks have?
And what do you mean by you can't intimidate short stacks? In this instance you aren't trying to intimidate them, you have the best starting hand in poker.
If they're truly short stacks, either they're getttig it all in or folding. This isn't about pushing them around. -
You said the shortstacks are likely to go all-in on a raise; which implies they'd come over the top of your raise by going all in. Did you consider raising enough to put the largest one of them all-in, or is that what you did?
PS - I don't think payout is ever irrelevant, as that's the only reason I enter a tournament. -
Payouts are relevant, an example would be If 1 was getting 3,000. 2nd was getting 2.2k, and 3-5 were all getting 800-1000 they will probably all be calling. If there is pay jumps, it will affect others decisions to limp/call once someone else has declared acall all in. I think just shoving is the best play.
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LOL @ payouts being irrelevant. It's the one thing that will determine your play here when you hold AA. Wow.
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shove
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how short are the "short stacks" cause if they are all really short then if u dont call u should just quit. basically, ur calling here as an underdog to win the hand overall, but it will basically be for the tourney win.
i dont see how payouts are not realivant here tho. buy in would b nice to know too. -
Is this a satty?
If not - get your fkn chips in the middle - wtf are you waiting for - stack sizes would be relevant as well (how short are they rly)
EDIT:
If these "short stacks" are limping, I say fold and find a better spot*, since these guys are obv. terrible limping in w/ like 5 bbs I presume
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If this is not a satty it doesn't matter what the stack sizes are - who the fkn ppl are - if they'll call or not - if you have all the shorties covered - PUT YOUR FKNG CHIPS IN THE FKN MIDDLE AND QUIT PLAYING POKER LIKE A LITTLE PUSSY -
To answer this specific question we need to know specific details, like exactly how much each stack has, blind level and prize payouts. I have the feeling you are trying to ask a general situational question.
In general, I get it in because your looking to spike an ace or to be up against 4 KQs and a pair of dueces and then have a decisive chip lead over the leader. One question, how the fuck do you know that each of these short stack limpers is going to call off all there money at the same time? The fifth short stack to call all-in should have been taken out back and shot for being so stupid. -
i would fold. AA is only 1 pair. they could get 2 pr, 3 of a kind, straight.
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Not really. The fifth person should be calling with just about atc.
Originally Posted by paidchex
One question, how the fuck do you know that each of these short stack limpers is going to call off all there money at the same time? The fifth short stack to call all-in should have been taken out back and shot for being so stupid.
I only asked about stack sizes to know how to size ur bet or if u should just shove.
but to the OP, I don't rly get what ur asking here. I mean are you trying to find someone to tell u to fold? ur obv not limping behind. And if you have them all covered, just make a wager of some sort that requires them to fold or get in the remainder of their stack. Sorry but this isn't really "rolling the dice." -
( ) 5 limpers moved allin
( ) I'd consider over limping with AA
( ) I give a shit about the outcome
(x) Results oriented much -
Whatever you do, do not post results, no one cares and it doesn't matter.
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i got to hugely disagree, if payouts of 3-7 are identical, then get it in. He's trying to survive a 6 way all-in where he may end up with 7th place money. IMO he should def. step aside and let a couple of people get busted which is happening 100% of the time.
Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder
Not really. The fifth person should be calling with just about atc.Originally Posted by paidchex
One question, how the fuck do you know that each of these short stack limpers is going to call off all there money at the same time? The fifth short stack to call all-in should have been taken out back and shot for being so stupid.
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Well, it also depends. You have 5 shortstacks. If the last guy calling has all of the other shortys covered, then he should be calling and gambling. If, however, last shorty to act is truely the shortest stack (so it's win or get 7th), and he's got a chance to move up to 3rd or 4th by folding and letting the hand play out, if the money is worth it, then you definitely fold.
Originally Posted by paidchex
i got to hugely disagree, if payouts of 3-7 are identical, then get it in. He's trying to survive a 6 way all-in where he may end up with 7th place money. IMO he should def. step aside and let a couple of people get busted which is happening 100% of the time.Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder
Not really. The fifth person should be calling with just about atc.Originally Posted by paidchex
One question, how the fuck do you know that each of these short stack limpers is going to call off all there money at the same time? The fifth short stack to call all-in should have been taken out back and shot for being so stupid.
As far as AA, if the tournament is set up to win, then you definitely play. Sure, it's a gamble, but your odds of winning are much better than anyone elses. However, if 1st-5th get the same prize, and 6/7 get nothing, then that's a spot i might limp. -
Obviously you are going to get it in with the best hand and that is all you can really do preflop so just push
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Meh, this is where the actual chip counts/payout structure come into play here. I guess if he's one of the larger short stacks, he can fold. But its still kinda gay.
Originally Posted by paidchex
i got to hugely disagree, if payouts of 3-7 are identical, then get it in. He's trying to survive a 6 way all-in where he may end up with 7th place money. IMO he should def. step aside and let a couple of people get busted which is happening 100% of the time.Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder
Not really. The fifth person should be calling with just about atc.Originally Posted by paidchex
One question, how the fuck do you know that each of these short stack limpers is going to call off all there money at the same time? The fifth short stack to call all-in should have been taken out back and shot for being so stupid.
I'd rather try to amass a stack that I could win the thing with than try and move up from 7th to 5th or w/e. But I guess if he felt that way he wouldn't have been limping off a decent chunk of his remaining stack. If the last limper had any kind of hand, he should have iso shoved on the short stacks and taken his chances. -
how the hell are you in a position where all 5 shortstacks are guaranteed to call. are all seven people in the money also? this sounds like the most bizaare final table ever played. if all seven people are in the money then you should be able to expect at least a few of them to fold and try to move up a few spots if other players get eliminated. did they all limp preflop and pot commit themselves? this just sounds crazy
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awww in
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Only top 3 get paid.
Other five players have 3X+, and 4X BB, player sitting to my right is 4X.
I win its heads up, I am the chip leader, other player wins s/he will be 3rd chipstack. -
lol @ how bad these players are.
Just shove and be happy. -
There is nothing to debate. You raise/push and high five the dealer for putting you in a beautiful situation and pray to the poker gods that your hand holds.
If you ended up getting sucked out on, you are likely now 3-4 handed with at worst an average stack. You still moved up the money ladder either way.
You have AA preflop with a bunch of dead money already in the pot against NO players that can hurt you (unless the chip leader in the blind wakes up with a monster in which cash you would be very very happy). Exactly what situation better than this are you hoping for? -
wait....is this a SNG? If only 3 people get paid, there can't be more than 10-20 players in the thing? Not to mention the stack sizes...
Originally Posted by JonesZ
Only top 3 get paid.
Other five players have 3X+, and 4X BB, player sitting to my right is 4X.
I win its heads up, I am the chip leader, other player wins s/he will be 3rd chipstack.
You said there was five short stacks. YOU ARE AL SHORT STACKS. The difference between 3 and 4 big blinds as your stack is negligible
Also, calling this a "final table" seems to be misleading without giving us all the facts up front.
Regardless, you ship your AA here and pray to hold. -
60 players
I as I said I raised, got called by 5 players, spiked a Ace on the river for set and the win. Honestly I did think about folding for a few seconds as I pondered my odds; did my best to calculate starting odds and various hand ranges. Dodged a flush, straight and two pair to win, then take down the win 5 hands later.
Had I been 3X or 4X BB when raised by the button I would have made the call, especially since I made the initial bet, I need chips are need to win.
Thank you to those who replied intelligently.










