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How would you play KK here after flop?

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  1. Schrazor Schrazor is offline

    IL
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    Nov 22nd, 2006 (11/22/2006 6:52am)

    BizzaroAdam: 28.3 vpip , 16.6 PFR

    FullTiltPoker Game #1286337634: Table Durango (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:03:28 ET - 2006/11/22
    Seat 1: dallas8800 ($67.40)
    Seat 2: Bears are great ($272.35)
    Seat 3: Schrazor ($347.05)
    Seat 4: mgerman23 ($71.75)
    Seat 5: BizzaroAdam ($93.20)
    Seat 6: M3D1T8R ($100), is sitting out
    dallas8800 posts the small blind of $0.50
    Bears are great posts the big blind of $1
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Schrazor [Kd Kc]
    mgerman23: p.s. you raise every hand
    BizzaroAdam: gotta play the man not the cards babt
    Schrazor raises to $3.50
    mgerman23 folds
    BizzaroAdam calls $3.50
    mgerman23: go home bizarro you're terrible
    dallas8800 folds
    Bears are great folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jd Jh 8d]
    mgerman23: as b ad as bears
    Schrazor checks
    BizzaroAdam bets $8.50 -(he comes out betting pot after i check)
    Schrazor calls $8.50
    *** TURN *** [Jd Jh 8d] [3c]
    Schrazor checks
    BizzaroAdam bets $25.50 -(he bets the pot again)
    Schrazor has 15 seconds left to act
    Schrazor raises to $150 - (at this point I just dont think he is betting trips this strongly, so I put him on a decent pocket pair or a big draw and go ahead and put him in.)
    BizzaroAdam: i hope u dont have kj
    BizzaroAdam calls $55.70, and is all in
    Schrazor shows [Kd Kc]
    BizzaroAdam shows [Qc Jc]
    Uncalled bet of $68.80 returned to Schrazor
    *** RIVER *** [Jd Jh 8d 3c] [Qh]
    Schrazor shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
    BizzaroAdam shows a full house, Jacks full of Queens
    BizzaroAdam wins the pot ($184.90) with a full house, Jacks full of Queens
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $187.90 | Rake $3
    Board: [Jd Jh 8d 3c Qh]
    Seat 1: dallas8800 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: Bears are great (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: Schrazor showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
    Seat 4: mgerman23 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: BizzaroAdam (button) showed [Qc Jc] and won ($184.90) with a full house, Jacks full of Queens
    Seat 6: M3D1T8R is sitting out
     
  2. kissamr98 kissamr98 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2006 (11/22/2006 9:21am) in reply to Schrazor

    I reraise his flop bet and if he pushes I fold. If he calls I check fold to a bet. With no read thats what I do.

    Betting into you is a big way to show strenght, but buy you just calling with an over pair, you get no info on what he has. Thats why I raise his 8.5 bet to say $20-24.

    EDIT: I didn't notice you checked in to him. Thats ok, then just reraise to 20-24 to find out were you are, then refer to above.

    I don't like the lead out here because with the board paring like that this guy could make a move with AK, 10's-8's just betting on you not having the a "J". Just calling his raise was a very bad idea.
  3. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Nov 22nd, 2006 (11/22/2006 9:25am) in reply to kissamr98

    How about just leading out at the flop? You found out nothing by check-calling...the check-raise is OK, but I'd rather just bet out and see how he responds. If he raises back at you hard, you can make a decision to get away from it then.

    It's a tricky hand, because if you bet and he raises, he could easily be making that play with TT or QQ or something like that if he's putting you on AK/AQ. It's tough to find out the right information for as cheaply as possible here.
     
  4. jordan jordan is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2006 (11/22/2006 9:39am) in reply to Schrazor

    I lead out with a pot sized bet and see if my opponent calls. If he does I see what he does after I check the turn. He bet $25+$8.50+$3.50 which is more than 1/3 of his $$ at the table and I don't think he is getting rid of his hand so I probably would lay it down. He bet the pot on the turn and I think he bet too much. You only have $12 invested and if this is an usually big bet for him toss it away.
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