I've had a ton of chips at this table since very early. My image is prob in between tag and lag. Hafizzle is pretty tight overall but very capable and obv very good.

1. What do you do on turn?
2. Are you ever folding this?

Full Tilt Poker Game #16027322555: FTOPS Event #22 (2-Day) (109223926), Table 75 - 100/200 Ante 20 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:10:45 ET - 2009/11/14
Seat 1: KevboyStar (16,626)
Seat 2: JMaster130 (2,912)
Seat 4: tuna_fish_tank (12,438)
Seat 5: hafizzle (20,066)
Seat 6: svetik-cveti (18,292)
Seat 7: raidalot (5,662)
Seat 8: Frank1The1Tank (30,756)
Seat 9: overbe777 (11,977)
KevboyStar antes 20
JMaster130 antes 20
tuna_fish_tank antes 20
hafizzle antes 20
svetik-cveti antes 20
raidalot antes 20
Frank1The1Tank antes 20
overbe777 antes 20
KevboyStar posts the small blind of 100
JMaster130 posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Frank1The1Tank [5d 5c]
tuna_fish_tank folds
hafizzle has 15 seconds left to act
hafizzle raises to 486
svetik-cveti folds
raidalot folds
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank calls 486
overbe777 folds
KevboyStar folds
JMaster130 folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac 5h Ks]
hafizzle has 15 seconds left to act
hafizzle bets 822
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank raises to 1,800
hafizzle has 15 seconds left to act
hafizzle calls 978
*** TURN *** [Ac 5h Ks] [2c]
hafizzle checks
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank bets 2,875
hafizzle has 15 seconds left to act
hafizzle has requested TIME
hafizzle raises to 5,788
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank has requested TIME

If he is very capable he knows that you are not getting carried away w/ AQ here so for this to be AK seems like a strange line to take to maximize value. pretty sure the majority of his range here is AA/KK

Fwiw I really can't see him having AK here often at all since he would be very unlikely to get called with worse. Either way obv his line is awful but I have to play the situation...

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

i actually would probably not fold just based on this.

since we know he's competent, if he really took a line that is going to make you want to fold bottom set then he HAS to have something worse than a set...ducy

Even good players can play hands very badly though.

 

Originally Posted by pikappraider78

why is his line awful. he bet called the flop and check raised the turn?? if by horrible you mean the turn sizing? other then that i dont see whats terrible about this line at all

Because he is repping AA/KK really really hard. That turn should like never be c/r when he just flats flop. He turns all my value hands into bluff catchers and shuts down my ability to bluff. If he's bluffing here it would be a really good bluff, but then you'd have to expect him to float flop OOP and know that he'd have to be shoving river when called too. It's just too many assumptions we have to make about him, when the fact is hes pretty tight and I just don't think he'd go through all this just to get me to fold something.

I don't think AK is in his range here as when frank raises flop its hands > AK or air (unless its like some high level merge w AQ which never continues to turn raise anyway) so haffizle surely check/calls AK here on the turn?

I prob throw up/fold

to b honest frank im not sure i understand your line...what are you tryin to establish with your just over min raise on the flop? you tryin to get weak c bet hands to fold possibly some aces? if he re-raises what is your plan? not sure but just seems like ur buildin a pot on a dangerous board where only better is comin along with you with maybe the occasional spazz....i dont know the extent of how high you guys think but if realizes ur hella strong but AA isnt in ur range considering you flatted pre might b the single hand range hes tryin to rep knowing your folidn out ur entire range that isnt the nuts...just a thought

My flop raise size doesn't need to be that big on this board. It's overall a fairly dry board in that it's tough for him to continue with alot of his cbet range (hands I'd get little to no value from later on anyway). I raise this flop with air sometimes, so I have to balance by raising this flop with huge hands too. A raise to 1800 does the same thing as if I were to make it like 2400. He continues with almost if not exactly the same range. So since I'm going to likely have a little bit more air in this spot overall, it makes sense to raise smaller and save yourself the chips for when they do continue.

 

Originally Posted by shankingyou

God you are withered man. The reasons your saying he would never play aa or kk like this are the same reasons that he did, you high stakes posting legend you.

Wait what? I never once said he would never play aa or kk like this. I said he SHOULDNT play it like this. But AA/KK is exactly what I thought he had...

 

Originally Posted by Gags30

your flop riase is the exact reason youc an't fold this. and the exact reason why AK is still in his range. the board is so dry that your range is a set or air, and basically nothing else ever. we've already established that he knows what he's doing, and he'll most likely realize this. he can easily raise AK on the turn here to try to get you do do something dumb with air.

fwiw, i really dislike your flop riase on this board. in a heads up pot with no flush draws out there you're better off flatting and leaving both of your ranges much wider, rather than raising and polarizing them

I agree that my flop raise prob isn't great, it's not something I do too often at all. I was just defending the reason for the sizing.. That said, the problem with doing this with AK is that whenever I get it in for value, he's behind. He may as well do it with AQ too since the only thing AK and AQ beat are air. With AA/KK clearly he beats my value range too. Also fwiw my range on the flop is a bit wider than a set or air.

i agree with gags i like flatting this flop alot better and id rather raise the turn instead of the flop. however as played id probably fold tbh. his turn raISE range is aa and kk and air imo. THIS is one of those rare spots where folding a set is probably ok.... especially vs a tag player.

hafizzle: Based on the in game chat, you clearly regretted playing it the way you did because you immediately said you did and that you felt like I might fold 55. So even if this was how you meant to play it, you didn't do it for the reasons mentioned in this thread imo. I time banked to 1 second and called (wish I had more time) for 2 reasons which are:
#1. I'd have been sick if I folded and u had AK or air.
#2. I imagined posting the hh on p5s and 2p2 and everyone saying call (which is what mtters always say when they have a set) so I knew it couldn't be a leak even if I didn't think it was correct at the time.

 

Originally Posted by hafizzle

Your making no sense whatsoever right now..i told u immed after the hand that once i knew u had a set during the hand i regretted my line on turn..i was trying to play the hand obviously so u wouldnt think i had the nuts and pitts it off to me with something less than the nuts. now since u had the nuts my thoughts on how i played it changed..i think what you just posted above is implying that i posted something that isnt true and i wasnt thinking what i posted? if so your just being absurd, ill explain more later after tourney..peace

Wait so, vs my entire range, you think your line was pretty bad. But after you saw results and that I had basically the top of my range, you changed your mind and decided your line was good? I'm confused.

 

Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank

Wait so, vs my entire range, you think your line was pretty bad. But after you saw results and that I had basically the top of my range, you changed your mind and decided your line was good? I'm confused.

Your posts makes no fn sense whatsoever cause ur not too bright im thinking and maybe ur trash at poker? have u gave that any thought?

Im also confused on the point of this thread??.post in the coolers section..your saying u knew i had aa or kk and you still stacked off?? What if i call you a liar and say that you didnt know i had aa or kk and thats why u called off? Maybe my line made u call??? Or are you posting the hand cause your telling the world your a fn idiot and cant make a fold even when u know your beat? Or are you posting the hand cause your saying you were coolered and there was no way you could fold?