I think his ranges consist of any flush and 9T maybeee 33 tho i really doubt the latter. If he has 9T I'd think he'd bet less on the river and fold to a raise, but given the biggish bet here it looks like he's betting for full value which really leads me to believe his range is basically nothing but a flush. Could have airballs if he knows you're a good player tho, but i doubt that also, even so that can never really be a profitable call for you.

fold.

 

Originally Posted by Goldenad

lets start with why you would ever limp behind in a 6max with AT

why not?
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i get6 that it makes it easier for you gentlemen to play post flop and that's fine.. but i am not asking for preflop advice in this hand... river thoughts plz!

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raise turn to get more info, as played i think he tables a flush here 95% of the time

 

Originally Posted by DBo Fo Sho

raise turn to get more info, as played i think he tables a flush here 95% of the time

this is not a good idea.

Doubt he shows up without a flush very often here. Seems a little silly if he thinks about c/r air on the turn after a bet and a call and only 200 chips invested. Fold IMO.

edit.. this might be closer than i thought..didnt realize the bet on turn was just a min bet. I think celtic could raise more than just flushes for value. 9t k3 kj kq. Your hand is pretty under repped here.

Seems like a pretty straightforward call where you are good more often than not.

EDIT: Yeah probably should say why. I know it looks like a flush but I really think he leads the turn into this many people with a made flush, even a baby flush, and c/r lesser holdings, draws, and pure air.

EDIT EDIT: It is also a pretty big bet on the river. Maybe it depends on how he perceives you a lot more than his turn action. He's either betting that big so you station a smaller flush or to get you to fold small flushes or your straight. He should have your hand pegged pretty well- your c/r flat says your hand is pretty good but not a monster particularly if he has the naked ace, which I think is a big part of his range with this play. I'm still leaning towards the call.

meh i call...

 

Originally Posted by xxCelticFCxx

i had the nuts obv a7dd sick ld.... i defo do repop that turn w a lot of other hands tho single ace of d maybe air sometimes just cause action has been so weak, reallly dunno how u fold lol ...nld sir

really tho?

It's called balancing your ranges in the forum discussion like duh :) On the felt is a different story but hey, at least he told you the range of hands he does that with lol

PS: Sick brag post by icufish to get celtic to tell you what he had

PPS: Sick brag for celtic about lying to people what he had (jk)

lol nice river sizing to get AT to fold this board

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

lol nice river sizing to get AT to fold this board

results oriented much?

Yes I think its bad. Are you 3bet/folding, 3bet/calling? Both are gross imo. Secondly, my point was more that, 99% of your range is weighted towards the nizzles than air or a badly played draw yet you've thrown in the generic "but these hands could also be in my range" response.

 

Originally Posted by CP_MagiciaN

Prf is debatable. Post is played perfect on every street imo.

Edit: Altho raising turn is fine

Some random leads one BB into a 4 BB pot, OP has the nut straight with no diamonds. A raise for value seems necessary.

 

Originally Posted by CP_MagiciaN

Yeah, I didn't realize the guy min bet. Fair enough. I would always raise here as well, dunno if OP had some sort of "dude spazzes river" read or something, but obv think raising turn is good. Actually looking back on it now, river is closer to a call than I originally thought. Hero folds rock I guess.

Edit: I am the nut low at reading HH's so sorry for all the dumb edits, but looking back at this for the 16th time, OP, how does more money not get in on the turn? (raising the min bet I mean)

Well i didn't want to raise the turn for a few reasons. There were still 3 villains in the hand. I felt that by calling i could get information on the strength of the other players hands and keep the pot reasonably small. If I raise and celtic cold 3 bets I have to just fold on the turn no? I kind of felt that raising in this spot seemed like it could be really spew since I would be folding most of the time to a 3rd bet.

Maybe I am way off base here I just don't see xxcelticfcxx running some kind of big bluff here into a multiway pot pre ante. His bet sizing on the river made me think it was so heavily weighted to a nut hand that calling was just giving away 2k more in this hand.

I do appreciate everyone's thoughts in this spot. FWIW i didn't like that i was folding obv and I am not generally triyng to make big laydowns.. and that's why i posted to this hand. To see if other people were seeing what i saw or what perspective they might have.
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