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HSMTT 30r bubble spot

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  1. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:20am)

    dont have the HH but we are on the literal bubble of the 30r.

    hero (button) : 16bbs

    sb : 16.1 bbs

    bb: 8.5bbs

    both sb and bb are random i think. it folds to us on button how wide are we shoving and can we ship ATC here?
     
  2. RunLikeAChettah RunLikeAChettah is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:23am) in reply to pikappraider78

    I vote ship any2
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:24am) in reply to pikappraider78

    U can ship any two imo....obv have to play it different if not two randoms.

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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:27am) in reply to jdpc27

    I think you should pretty much be shipping any two no matter who is in the blinds.
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:28am) in reply to pikappraider78

    I wouldnt shove any two, even "randoms" are aware of that stuff, I'm shoving barely wider then my normal range for this spot.
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:33am) in reply to yellowhat

    id snap in the sb A9+, KQ/KJ, 55+- BB would be like A8+, KQ/KJ, 66+. and im prob a random.
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:36am) in reply to siola

     
    Originally Posted by siola View Post

    id snap in the sb A9+, KQ/KJ, 55+- BB would be like A8+, KQ/KJ, 66+. and im prob a random.

    if that's ur ranges, it's a profitable jam with atc

    nit much?
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:38am) in reply to Appst08

    title does not compute
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 1:39am) in reply to pikappraider78

    not to be a dick but making the title HSMTT then asking questions about a 30r is pretty much undercutting the point of writing HSMTT and looking for only their advice. If 30r's count as high stakes where does it end?
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 2:10am) in reply to pikappraider78

    i think shoving atc here is def profitable over time, and as u mentioned they are randoms, but if that was not the case and there were for instance 2 regs i prolly shove a smaller range but still kinda light, Q9 hands, JT's etc.
     
  11. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 2:18am) in reply to mhoddi

     
    Originally Posted by mhoddi View Post

    not to be a dick but making the title HSMTT then asking questions about a 30r is pretty much undercutting the point of writing HSMTT and looking for only their advice. If 30r's count as high stakes where does it end?

    pretty sure the other forumn has high stakes as 30rs and 100 fos +. the 30r is in every hs mtter schedule day in and day out.
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 2:28am) in reply to Appst08

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post

    if that's ur ranges, it's a profitable jam with atc

    nit much?

    If you snap super more wide than those ranges enough to say "nit much" then wow. Maybe math wise it may be correct (and only saying this bc i have no clue what the math is, math is dumb ldo) but these days I'd say w 16 blinds in this spot I can def find better ways to get my money in, esp in a spot where you would call off waaay wider than I think is correct.

    And I think against randoms esp a nit in blinds obv waitin on bubble atc is fine.
     
  13. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 2:32am) in reply to I Spew Chips

    i agree with i spew chips im not gonna b snapping super wide its really bad icm wise too. its almost impossible for us not to cash if were in the sb with 16 bbs and calling off is so much worse then shoving in this spot.
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 2:52am) in reply to pikappraider78

    I shove top 80% of my range here. I find folds with stuff like 24, 83 etc. Shoving ATC will still be +ev over a long term vs randoms and its not really even close if you pokerstove it. However, in a field like this you have equity in your skills being better than most of the ppl left and taht has to count for something. So that's why I dont shove bottom 20% but if you shove ATC i certainly think it's fine.

    VS knowledgeable regs I shove like top 60%.
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 11:25am) in reply to pikappraider78

     
    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

    i agree with i spew chips im not gonna b snapping super wide its really bad icm wise too. its almost impossible for us not to cash if were in the sb with 16 bbs and calling off is so much worse then shoving in this spot.

    doubt I care bout icm in a 30r mtt.

    fwiw I think atc is a profitable jam as well as wide ranges of calls.

    maybe the fact i know pikapp, but given the poster few post above that gave his ranges, it's really tight imo, esp. for the bb.
    could be a leak, idk i blow
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 2:51pm) in reply to dmschec

    Almost ATC IMO.
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 3:44pm) in reply to pikappraider78

    ship like 45s+ 56o+ w/ all pairs
     
  18. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 7:15pm) in reply to Appst08

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post


    doubt I care bout icm in a 30r mtt.

    fwiw I think atc is a profitable jam as well as wide ranges of calls.

    maybe the fact i know pikapp, but given the poster few post above that gave his ranges, it's really tight imo, esp. for the bb.
    could be a leak, idk i blow

    the icm is very important though on the literal bubble... i dont think the equity we gain in calling off super light negates the fact that we may get 0$ when by passing up a marginally +ev spot we get atleast 150$ ish.... if we are a 50% roi player, our equity for the tourney is about 75$ profit. I used to completely disregard the importance of cashing but its actually important. obv play for the win and id never pass up a shove thats +ev even if its by .5 bbs. but calling off on the literal bubble in this spot is bad, we auto go to showdown.

    granted id still call of reasonably lightish if its a reg OTB but theres no way im gna be calling with stuff thats like 51% against his range and marginally + CEV
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 7:23pm) in reply to pikappraider78

    GO GATORS!!!
     
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    Oct 22nd, 2009 (10/22/2009 8:42pm) in reply to pikappraider78

     
    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

    the icm is very important though on the literal bubble... i dont think the equity we gain in calling off super light negates the fact that we may get 0$ when by passing up a marginally +ev spot we get atleast 150$ ish.... if we are a 50% roi player, our equity for the tourney is about 75$ profit. I used to completely disregard the importance of cashing but its actually important. obv play for the win and id never pass up a shove thats +ev even if its by .5 bbs. but calling off on the literal bubble in this spot is bad, we auto go to showdown.

    granted id still call of reasonably lightish if its a reg OTB but theres no way im gna be calling with stuff thats like 51% against his range and marginally + CEV

    which you are....just sayin :)

    but fo real, i understand what your saying, i need to brush up more on my icm, just think if i find a hand where i think i could be 60 or more i gotta take it esp. on the bubble in a 30r where the field is small and the players itm is small and you have a decent chance at top 3
     
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