Full Tilt Poker Game #15913034024: $33,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (115518525), Table 25 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:48:13 ET - 2009/11/09
Seat 1: Shawry5 (9,670)
Seat 2: JaspudUF (7,264)
Seat 3: Frank1The1Tank (7,840)
Seat 4: Sneezie Senizie (11,991), is sitting out
Seat 5: DSchec (7,704)
Seat 6: LOL_COLLUDAMENT (4,385)
Seat 7: iloseflips2424 (5,020)
Seat 8: S_Dot111 (8,305)
Seat 9: bigt439 (12,342)
iloseflips2424 posts the small blind of 40
S_Dot111 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DSchec [Qh Ac]
bigt439 folds
Shawry5 folds
JaspudUF folds
Frank1The1Tank raises to 205
Sneezie Senizie folds
DSchec raises to 535
LOL_COLLUDAMENT folds
iloseflips2424 folds
S_Dot111 folds
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Sneezie Senizie has reconnected
Frank1The1Tank calls 330
Sneezie Senizie has returned
*** FLOP *** [Qd 2h Js]
Frank1The1Tank checks
DSchec bets 785
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank calls 785
*** TURN *** [Qd 2h Js] [2c]
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank checks
DSchec has 15 seconds left to act
DSchec checks
*** RIVER *** [Qd 2h Js 2c] [Ad]
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank checks
DSchec has 15 seconds left to act
DSchec bets 1,675
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank has requested TIME
Frank1The1Tank raises to 6,520, and is all in
DSchec has 15 seconds left to act
DSchec has requested TIME
DSchec: damnit
DSchec: this is so sick
DSchec: u either have jjj or air
DSchec ????????????????

seeems like he def has JJ here...cant really work out anything else he would possible have

AA

I mean, he has to have air what, like 27ish% of the time here to make this profitable? Rough estimate in my head really quick, might be wrong lol. Guess it's possible since he may believe you to bet the turn with a monster to set up for a river push but I don't think you're good here often enough.

 

Originally Posted by gotzballz

FOLD, He only has JJ, QQ, or AA or is just on some super sick level that cannot be explained.

Actually the level can be explained easily. The only hands I bet/call for value in his mind are KT, AA, and MAYBE AQ. My hand really looks like AK and it is a high % bluff spot. Plus im reasonably sure he thinks im very very aggro

why check back turn?
and i prolly fold river after he reraises but really know little about his game

Fwiw, dschec you should explain what your image is like and what mine is like. It seems like some of the ppl here mistakenly think I am some massive nit, and may assume the same for you. That said, this is an amazing spot for me to bluff at since your hand is basically faceup to AK and maybe AQ. If I had hands like KQ/QJ/w/e else I would likely shove this river all day since most regs think my range there is almost always AA/QQ/JJ/22 and are unlikely to call with AK.

 

Originally Posted by siola

why cant he have k10 here?

thats more what I was leaning to, I think JJJ should play this hand differently to be more profitable

i cant really work out wat hand u would call oop with and c/c the flop that would allow u 2 turn it into a bluff...seems pretty stupid to turn QJ into a bluff if u think he has AK in the hope that he folds AQ if he has it...

I call pretty quickly.

This is a great board texture for him to bluff his entire range especially the way the hand played out. Of course you are going to be beat a decent amount of the time, but if the numbers you said are correct I think Frank understands that a bluff will work here more than 27% of the time when you will be folding AK here 100% of the time.

 

Originally Posted by Kochan

i cant really work out wat hand u would call oop with and c/c the flop that would allow u 2 turn it into a bluff...seems pretty stupid to turn QJ into a bluff if u think he has AK in the hope that he folds AQ if he has it...

Like I said DSchec should explain our dynamic a bit imo. Me and him know each other much different than some other regs might or people on here etc. My image was insane at this table. Think I was playing something like 28/24/5/14 when this hand came up and we were both 3b each other a lot and playing a ton of hands.

EDIT: Also fwiw, shoving KQ and QJ are good to bluff shove with here, because if he thinks I'm rarely if ever bluffing here, I have blockers to QQ/JJ and which means most of his value range is usually and mostly going to be AK/AQ. If he's folding those hands very often it's a very profitable bluff.

 

Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank

 

Originally Posted by Kochan

i cant really work out wat hand u would call oop with and c/c the flop that would allow u 2 turn it into a bluff...seems pretty stupid to turn QJ into a bluff if u think he has AK in the hope that he folds AQ if he has it...

Like I said DSchec should explain our dynamic a bit imo. Me and him know each other much different than some other regs might or people on here etc. My image was insane at this table. Think I was playing something like 28/24/5/14 when this hand came up and we were both 3b each other a lot and playing a ton of hands.

EDIT: Also fwiw, shoving KQ and QJ are good to bluff shove with here, because if he thinks I'm rarely if ever bluffing here, I have blockers to QQ/JJ and which means most of his value range is usually and mostly going to be AK/AQ. If he's folding those hands very often it's a very profitable bluff.

still doesnt really answer my question bout wat u call oop pre and flat the flop with. KQ yes. QJ surely if ur image is as crazy as u say u would raise that flop. Maybe 109s the only possible hand u have here that u can then turn into a bluff. AJ surely u lead the river if u think hes got AK or check/call rather than hoping he bets the river so u can shove on him and hopefully mak him lay down AQ even tho u might well just be good anyway against AK.

 

Originally Posted by gotzballz

seems like your setting up a spot to get bluffed in.

What is wrong with that? Sometimes the best way to get value from a hand is to get bluffed. If you think your opponent will c/r bluff in this spot often enough that it makes it +EV to b/c then it should make sense to bet in this spot with the intention of calling a shove.

 

Originally Posted by Kochan

still doesnt really answer my question bout wat u call oop pre and flat the flop with. KQ yes. QJ surely if ur image is as crazy as u say u would raise that flop. Maybe 109s the only possible hand u have here that u can then turn into a bluff. AJ surely u lead the river if u think hes got AK or check/call rather than hoping he bets the river so u can shove on him and hopefully mak him lay down AQ even tho u might well just be good anyway against AK.

If I'm c/r the flop with QJ, then surely I'd do the same with QQ/JJ/22 no? And if that's the case then what would I be c/s river with?

EDIT: And also, what calls my flop c/r that won't value bet every street if I c/c down? If I c/c my whole range on this flop, it can induce him to value bet every street w/ hands he may shut down with if I c/r. It also induces bluffs from his range.

uhhhifold

 

Originally Posted by Kochan

maybe im behind the 8 ball nowadays but i dont really see how calling oop with a marginal hand like KQ/QJ/109 and then turning it into a bluff and trying to get ur opponent to lay down top 2 pair at 40/80 blinds when u started the hand with 100bbs is considered good play

maybe having a bluff here and having it posted on p5s is good advertising for u to become the 'recognised maniac' that u seem 2 wanna become but realistically id hope u have JJ here

lol kochan easily my favorite ever