Ok so Frank and I know each other, have a little bit of history together. he knows im on the tighter side and I know hes on the laggy side. can say what you want about my preflop flat and turn flat call but Im just experimenting with different things. Anyways do you call here on the river? Also gotta notice bb still has to act behind. Ill post my analysis and results later.

Full Tilt Poker Game #15916447835: FTOPS Event #12 (109222744), Table 211 - 140/280 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:34:13 ET - 2009/11/09
Seat 1: zerocashout (20,184)
Seat 2: jimmydow (24,910)
Seat 3: Frank1The1Tank (23,582)
Seat 4: bentebabe69 (14,947)
Seat 5: The Lab Rat (8,586)
Seat 6: GB2005 (14,329)
zerocashout antes 25
jimmydow antes 25
Frank1The1Tank antes 25
bentebabe69 antes 25
The Lab Rat antes 25
GB2005 antes 25
GB2005 posts the small blind of 140
zerocashout posts the big blind of 280
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Lab Rat [9s Js]
jimmydow folds
CalBandGreat (Observer): yeah EPT def different rate then WPT
Frank1The1Tank raises to 705
bentebabe69 folds
The Lab Rat calls 705
GB2005 folds
zerocashout calls 425
*** FLOP *** [9c Ah 6c]
zerocashout checks
Frank1The1Tank checks
The Lab Rat checks
*** TURN *** [9c Ah 6c] [Jd]
zerocashout checks
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank bets 1,375
The Lab Rat calls 1,375
zerocashout has 15 seconds left to act
zerocashout has requested TIME
zerocashout calls 1,375
*** RIVER *** [9c Ah 6c Jd] [Th]
zerocashout checks
Frank1The1Tank has 15 seconds left to act
Frank1The1Tank has requested TIME
Frank1The1Tank bets 4,875
The Lab Rat has 15 seconds left to act
The Lab Rat:

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

raise as a bluff

haha damnit because of HSMTT title i guess i have to be serious (thats how it works right)

honestly ur just bluff catching tho theres nothing hes going to overvalue here that u beat so i prob just fold

HOF.

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

im such a pussy

QFT

Anyway, I have no idea if he'd make some semi-elaborate bluff here, so I'd just dump it I guess. Then again, spite calls vs 1the1 are rarely going to be any worse than neutral EV, so if you called I won't fault you tooooo much.

i call

snap fold or snap spew

this is a sick spot.

i prolly bet the flop tho.

other than betting the flop, i prolly play it same as you.

on river..... idk, fold i guesss.

 

Originally Posted by SS-TP

100%

lol @ balancing ranges in this spot....and in mtt's in general for the most part

Lol @ not balancing your range vs regs you play a lot with just because its an mtt.

 

Originally Posted by apestyles

Pretty sure this isnt a range balancing spot.

Flop check seems like AJ, AT not trying to play a big pot/trying to get value. Turn he bets and gets 2 callers. Bluffing in this spot without knowing both of your opponents games really well seems pretty bad especially with a river that improves both players ranges. Could be wrong but most competant players are value betting in this spot 90-95 percent of the time and have 2 pair+ almost always.

Edit- I'm prob gonna be proven wrong and this is a sick bluff or something but... Iono just noticed flush draw missed as well.

pretty much agree with all of this.

 

Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank

Lol @ not balancing your range vs regs you play a lot with just because its an mtt.

Guess you missed tha part where I said "for the most part"

 

Originally Posted by Duffy08

why are you flatting the turn with the bb still to act ?

raise turn fold river

are you raise folding or raise calling vs 1th1

Fold pre, not nearly deep enough to call here with J9s. River's an easy fold, he's betting into two people when a card that hits both of their ranges hard appears on the river, he's not bluffing ever I wouldn't think.

 

Originally Posted by tbt4653

Fold pre, not nearly deep enough to call here with J9s. River's an easy fold, he's betting into two people when a card that hits both of their ranges hard appears on the river, he's not bluffing ever I wouldn't think.

I dont think flatting is bad, as long as he realized he is not calling for implied odds, but to rep a big pair and play postflop accordingly. And of course as a back up plan make two pair that he has to fold on the river :)

 

Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank

Lol. I can't wait for results to be posted. I like ape's thought process, but that's exactly how I felt most mtters would be playing. It's unfortunate that its one step behind though.

LOL.WOW.

 

Originally Posted by Frank1The1Tank

Lol. I can't wait for results to be posted. I like ape's thought process, but that's exactly how I felt most mtters would be playing. It's unfortunate that its one step behind though.

well ur just the fuckin man bro

Meh, seems like a really terrible spot to bluff but... outleveled i guess